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<blockquote data-quote="Selas" data-source="post: 9473224" data-attributes="member: 7047454">No, because THP is not actual HP nor is it Healing, according to the THP rules: &quot;Temporary Hit Points can’t be added to your Hit Points, healing can’t restore them, and receiving Temporary Hit Points doesn’t count as healing.&quot;And yes, I had to point it out because it is the reason why they don't work like actual healing. By your logic, damage and healing would revert when a concentration spell ends, yet they don't because these are permanent mechanics governed by their own rules.Concentration is a sustaining mechanic for continuous spells (aka maintaining the spell effects), and THP is granted by these 3 spells, but as part of shape shifting into another form. And no, its is not one time gain, as you can change multiple times with Shape Change and your THP would change to the new form each time (you can't with the other two).The purpose of these 3 spells is NOT to give THP, but to shape shift someone into another creature. THP is an effect of this, not a separate effect. This has been pointed out before by others.At this point though, it is clear that you are entrenched in your position and no amount of argument is going to change it. Like the other person said, if you want to exploit rules interactions to your benefit you can do so, but don't be surprised if the DM shoots you down. If you're the DM, well it's your table, but don't be surprised if your session gets derailed because of players exploits</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Selas, post: 9473224, member: 7047454"] No, because THP is not actual HP nor is it Healing, according to the THP rules: "Temporary Hit Points can’t be added to your Hit Points, healing can’t restore them, and receiving Temporary Hit Points doesn’t count as healing." And yes, I had to point it out because it is the reason why they don't work like actual healing. By your logic, damage and healing would revert when a concentration spell ends, yet they don't because these are permanent mechanics governed by their own rules. Concentration is a sustaining mechanic for continuous spells (aka maintaining the spell effects), and THP is granted by these 3 spells, but as part of shape shifting into another form. And no, its is not one time gain, as you can change multiple times with Shape Change and your THP would change to the new form each time (you can't with the other two). The purpose of these 3 spells is NOT to give THP, but to shape shift someone into another creature. THP is an effect of this, not a separate effect. This has been pointed out before by others. At this point though, it is clear that you are entrenched in your position and no amount of argument is going to change it. Like the other person said, if you want to exploit rules interactions to your benefit you can do so, but don't be surprised if the DM shoots you down. If you're the DM, well it's your table, but don't be surprised if your session gets derailed because of players exploits [/QUOTE]

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