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<blockquote data-quote="stargazer_dragon" data-source="post: 9541046" data-attributes="member: 41005"><p>There is a gross misreading of the concentration section in this. Please pay extra attention to the bolded parts</p><p></p><p>""Some <strong>spells and other effects</strong> require Concentration to remain active, as specified <strong>in their descriptions.</strong> If the <strong>effect’s creator loses Concentration, the effect ends</strong>. If the effect has a maximum duration, the <strong>effect’s description </strong>specifies how long the creator can concentrate on it: up to 1 minute, 1 hour, or some other duration. The creator can end Concentration at any time (no action required). The following factors break Concentration.""</p><p></p><p>Please do not mix up the Word ""Effect" here and the use of Effect in spell section. You will note that here every reference to a ""Spells Effects"" is described as ""<strong>description "". </strong>The initial use of the Word Effect "<strong>Some spells and other effects" </strong>tells you what further use of that word is referring to. In the context of this section, "Effect" Refer to "spells and other effects require Concentration"</p><p></p><p>so for the context of spells only you can read this section as</p><p></p><p>"""Some <strong>spells require Concentration</strong> to remain active, as specified in their descriptions. If <strong>the spell’s creator</strong> loses Concentration, <strong>the spell ends</strong>. If <strong>the spell</strong> has a maximum duration, the <strong>spell’s description</strong> specifies how long the creator can concentrate on it: up to 1 minute, 1 hour, or some other duration. The creator can end Concentration at any time (no action required). The following factors break Concentration.""</p><p></p><p>You could also read that section as</p><p>"""Some s<strong>pells and other effects</strong> require Concentration to remain active, as specified in their descriptions. If the <strong>spell/effect’s</strong> creator loses Concentration, the <strong>spell/effect </strong>ends. If the <strong>spell/effect</strong> has a maximum duration, the <strong>spell/effect’s </strong>description specifies how long the creator can concentrate on it: up to 1 minute, 1 hour, or some other duration. The creator can end Concentration at any time (no action required). The following factors break Concentration.""</p><p></p><p>when they wrote the section, they did it from a effects point of view<strong>, </strong>but taking the context of the section into account and there very intentional and specific use of the wording Description. It is easy to see the correct meaning of the section as written and as intended. </p><p></p><p>I would also like to point out that concentration is a duration, just as instantaneous & timed duration are. However in all 3 cases the duration end. </p><p>Instantaneous The duration ends the moment it was cast, Concentration, The duration ends when concentration ends, be that damage, or max time or any other reason for it to end. In the case of Time it is when the use ends it, or when the time expires, or some other reason for the duration to end sooner. </p><p></p><p>They are all duration and all 3 follow the rules for when a duration ends, it is just that since duration ends right away for instant spells, the spells are obviously designed to take that into account. </p><p></p><p>This however does not mean that a timed spell works any differently then a instant spell</p><p></p><p>If the spell grants temp HP and does not otherwise give rules for how those temp HP are treated, then the temp HP fall under the general rule for Temp HP and will last until a long rest.</p><p></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stargazer_dragon, post: 9541046, member: 41005"] There is a gross misreading of the concentration section in this. Please pay extra attention to the bolded parts ""Some [B]spells and other effects[/B] require Concentration to remain active, as specified [B]in their descriptions.[/B] If the [B]effect’s creator loses Concentration, the effect ends[/B]. If the effect has a maximum duration, the [B]effect’s description [/B]specifies how long the creator can concentrate on it: up to 1 minute, 1 hour, or some other duration. The creator can end Concentration at any time (no action required). The following factors break Concentration."" Please do not mix up the Word ""Effect" here and the use of Effect in spell section. You will note that here every reference to a ""Spells Effects"" is described as ""[B]description "". [/B]The initial use of the Word Effect "[B]Some spells and other effects" [/B]tells you what further use of that word is referring to. In the context of this section, "Effect" Refer to "spells and other effects require Concentration" so for the context of spells only you can read this section as """Some [B]spells require Concentration[/B] to remain active, as specified in their descriptions. If [B]the spell’s creator[/B] loses Concentration, [B]the spell ends[/B]. If [B]the spell[/B] has a maximum duration, the [B]spell’s description[/B] specifies how long the creator can concentrate on it: up to 1 minute, 1 hour, or some other duration. The creator can end Concentration at any time (no action required). The following factors break Concentration."" You could also read that section as """Some s[B]pells and other effects[/B] require Concentration to remain active, as specified in their descriptions. If the [B]spell/effect’s[/B] creator loses Concentration, the [B]spell/effect [/B]ends. If the [B]spell/effect[/B] has a maximum duration, the [B]spell/effect’s [/B]description specifies how long the creator can concentrate on it: up to 1 minute, 1 hour, or some other duration. The creator can end Concentration at any time (no action required). The following factors break Concentration."" when they wrote the section, they did it from a effects point of view[B], [/B]but taking the context of the section into account and there very intentional and specific use of the wording Description. It is easy to see the correct meaning of the section as written and as intended. I would also like to point out that concentration is a duration, just as instantaneous & timed duration are. However in all 3 cases the duration end. Instantaneous The duration ends the moment it was cast, Concentration, The duration ends when concentration ends, be that damage, or max time or any other reason for it to end. In the case of Time it is when the use ends it, or when the time expires, or some other reason for the duration to end sooner. They are all duration and all 3 follow the rules for when a duration ends, it is just that since duration ends right away for instant spells, the spells are obviously designed to take that into account. This however does not mean that a timed spell works any differently then a instant spell If the spell grants temp HP and does not otherwise give rules for how those temp HP are treated, then the temp HP fall under the general rule for Temp HP and will last until a long rest. [B][/B] [/QUOTE]
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