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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 3182421" data-attributes="member: 4303">Re: PolymorphThe original text of the polymorph subschool description (found <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060501a&page=5" target="_blank">here</a>) marks plants and incorporeal creatures for special consideration.I think it's just a case of me mindlessly cut & pasting. The original (ELH) transform seed also contained a provision regarding incorporeal creatures: as the original ELH seed extended to objects, it would make sense that it didn't exclude undead or constructs.I'm still inclined to price the 'wide flexibility/change into object' and 'change form each round' factors a tad higher - at +6 each, maybe; I'd also assume that shapechange extended to CR 25 creatures (at present it extends to 25HD creatures). This would place shapechange as a solid 10th-level spell (62, in Kernelese), but I don't think that's entirely surprising, having seen this spell in action one time too many.Other than that, I really like the breakdown of factors. Maybe we should exclude undead and constructs unless the 'wide flexibility' option is employed - as soon as objects are potential targets, then so are these monster types.Maybe we should change the name back to [transform] again, as well. I'd originally thought that it needed a separate seed, but now I'm wondering. Spells like transmute rock to mud and flesh to stone need some kind of vehicle, though: a mass petrification epic spell would be nice. Do you have any suggestions about what to do with these spells?</blockquote>

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