PotC: At World's End (reactions, spoilers!)

[Arnwyn]

You must have gone to see a totally different movie than I did.

What a strange little comment.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

I still say Will and Elizebeth got a crappy deal and the pirates made off like... ah... bandits. If I were Will and I had a wife like Elizebeth and later a kid waiting for me, I would be hunting for any way to pass the job off to someone else so I could go join my family (without dying).

I think the ending also too closely echoed the begining of the first.

Can someone explain why Beckett wanted people to sing the pirate song? And who did he answer to anyway? He seemed to violate a lot of the rules of being an evil overlord.

Do you think?

Yeah. In a scary, "better do it right or you'll piss her off" kind of way.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Can someone explain why Beckett wanted people to sing the pirate song?

He wanted the Brethren Court convened, so that he could get all the Pirate Eggs in one basket. Hunting pirates one by one was inefficient - if he could gather them all in one place, he could swoop in with an armada and sort them all out at once.

And who did he answer to anyway?

The board of the EI Co, I presume.

-Hyp.

 

[Krug]

Kinda messy muddle, with too many characters/plots to be resolved. Think Johnny Depp's skit was getting a bit tired, though I really like Geoffrey Rush. ("What are YARRR doin'?") He shows folks who's the REAL pirate!

It was all right. Not really on my highly reccomended list.

 

[HeavenShallBurn]

Guess I'm alone, then again I usually am.

I thought that it was the best of the three movies. First was almost as good, second drug on a bit at times. This one was overflowing with cool stuff, had a plot I didn't have mapped out within the first fifteen minutes, and tied together all the earlier bits of supernatural by showcasing the overarching fantasy of the setting as opposed to its historical elements. That and it also reminded me of the last campaign my brother DM'ed when I was in middle school in the 80s.

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

Guess I'm alone, then again I usually am.

Not the best, but still very enjoyable. Not a perfect movie, but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some are claiming it to be. The Jack stuff dragged on... if they had cut a lot of that, maybe we could've kept that important plot element about Tia Dalma and Davy Jones. But I thought, mostly, the pacing was great, the action fun, and the bobbing and weaving of the story kept me interested.

Oh, and Geoffrey Rush stole the show.

 

[Banshee16]

Can someone please answer the question....

Is Will basically screwed for eternity? Everyone, including my wife and friends, left as soon as the credits started rolling, but I've heard there was another scene at the end, showing Will coming to shore in Port Royal. I've read that there was a piece of dialog that I missed, that said that the curse could be broken, and the captain of the flying dutchman released, if the woman he loved was there waiting for him after 10-years....consequently, there was a scene after the credits where he's reunited with Elizabeth?

Or is that incorrect? Will was actually one of my favourite characters, and thinking about how unhappy his ending appeared to be kind of ruined the ending for me.

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

Huh. I didn't get that at all; I got that the Dutchman was a duty, not a curse; the 'curse' (all that fishiness etc) only came on if the captain eschewed that duty.

The faithfulness of the lover had nothing to do with the curse directly; it was merely that Calypso's unfaithfulness led to Jones skipping out on his job. It was Jones' rebellion that led to the curse; Calypso was merely a contributing factor.

-Hyp.

I've heard the thing about being released from the duty if one's lover remains faithful elsewhere. People are discussing that at Rotten Tomatoes. And it makes a certain amount of sense.

Calypso was Davey Jones' lover....but being goddess of the sea, she was capricious and fickle. Consequently, she wasn't worthy of his trust, and when he came back for her after 10-years, she wasn't there....he felt betrayed, and abandoned his duty, instead of being released, and consequently became a monster. Their story is a tragedy.

Will and Elizabeth truly loved one another, and were both honourable, keeping to their oaths. He did his duty for 10 years, and she remained faithful. Consequently, Will was eventually released from the curse.

If this is what the writers intended, then it's an interesting comparison, and I think makes the Will/Elizabeth ending a lot more palatable. Though Jack Sparrow was very amusing, at his heart, he was scum.....likeable scum, but scum nonetheless.

Someone over at Rotten Tomatoes found an exerpt of the original Flying Dutchman story, which seems to give further credence to the idea that Will was released after 10 years, *because* Elizabeth stayed faithful..

"The Flying Dutchman Opera from 1843 indicates: "swore he would sail for all eternity if necessary to reach his destination. Be as careful in what you swear as you should be in what you wish for: in a Faustian turn, Satan condemns the Dutchman to sail the seas forever, with his only hope for redemption the unconditional love of a woman. The Dutchman is allowed to go ashore once every seven years to seek the woman whose love will save him from his tortured purgatory.""

Banshee

 

[Hypersmurf]

So if Will is released after 10 years, and 'The Dutchman must have a captain!', does that mean someone needs to stab Will's heart and take over for the next shift?

-Hyp.

 

[Taelorn76]

So if Will is released after 10 years, and 'The Dutchman must have a captain!', does that mean someone needs to stab Will's heart and take over for the next shift?

-Hyp.

But then you Kill Will. That's not a good ending either.