"Practice Spellcaster" Feat - Huh ?

[frankthedm]

Practiced Spellcaster only means that these beasties are not laughed at when they cast a spell.

I don't know, from encounters I played in, it has been vitally important to take down a dragon's Mage Armor and Shield if it is up. Adding to the chance a dispel won't take those down feels like flooring the pedal to TPK town.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I don't know, from encounters I played in, it has been vitally important to take down a dragon's Mage Armor and Shield if it is up. Adding to the chance a dispel won't take those down feels like flooring the pedal to TPK town.

Well, let's look at one. Ancient Black Dragon. CR 19, CL 11. With Practised Spellcaster, CL 15.

A 19th level wizard casting a Greater Dispel Magic needs to equal or exceed DC 22 on 1d20+19; he fails on a 2. With Practised Spellcaster, he fails on a 6. The odds are still well in his favour...

-Hyp.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

And Hyp's dragon is an extreme example in favor of Practiced Spellcaster.

How many critters in the MM have significant spellcaster levels by default?

 

[Infiniti2000]

Well, let's look at one. Ancient Black Dragon. CR 19, CL 11. With Practised Spellcaster, CL 15.

A 19th level wizard casting a Greater Dispel Magic needs to equal or exceed DC 22 on 1d20+19; he fails on a 2. With Practised Spellcaster, he fails on a 6. The odds are still well in his favour...

-Hyp.

And a 19th-level cleric with the inquisition domain and a bead of karma and an orange ioun stone and the Good domain casting a purified greater dispel magic (or whatever that spell is that allows more than +20). . .?

 

[Particle_Man]

Didn't you once put it as ...

Practiced Spellcaster [General]
Prerequisites: You must suck.
Benefit: You suck less.

That was me, in one of the Mystic Theurge threads when someone actually thought that this prestige class was *over-powered*. And I don't mean those "The Sky is Falling" Chicken Littles when the DMG first came out -- this thread was more recent, and after people had a chance to actually play and run the MT.

I was articulating the view of the rest of ENWorld, which was trying to show that, even with Practiced Spellcaster taken *twice*, once for each base class leading into it, the MT *still* sucked. It just sucked less. The poster then did some build that relied heavily on Metamagic rods to "prove" their point, which, at best, may have proved that Metamagic rods might be overpowered.

If you want a *powerful* feat, try Leadership. Nothing like being an Arch-Mage with a Cleric Cohort (Or High Priest with a Wizard Cohort) and lots and lots of Warlock followers. Or, for FranktheDm, take that Frost Giant and give it Leadership.

 

[Hypersmurf]

That was me...

Oh, good! Someone remembers!

There you go - claim all your humour accolades from further up-thread

-Hyp.

 

[Particle_Man]

Well, if I can't have Hypersmurf's Rules-Fu ability, I can claim the ability to create the occasional snappy joke.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Well, if I can't have Hypersmurf's Rules-Fu ability, I can claim the ability to create the occasional snappy joke.

My post has been altered accordingly, oh Count of the Quip.

 

[Glyfair]

I don't know, from encounters I played in, it has been vitally important to take down a dragon's Mage Armor and Shield if it is up. Adding to the chance a dispel won't take those down feels like flooring the pedal to TPK town.

And, if Practiced Spellcaster wasn't available, the DM wouldn't find another way to make the dragon as challenging?

 

[Seeten]

Bad feats are bad on both sides of the table. Feats that raise CL without raising spells/day and ability to cast higher level spells are weak.

Dragons included. Much rather the dragon has practiced spell caster than Power Attack, or something else nasty. I'd rather he spent his rounds casting gimp spells than full attacking me with his 19 attacks.

Further, as Particle Man said, you have to suck to want it, and then you suck less, it in no way makes you good.