Prestige Classes and Spells Known

Balord

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I just noticed something that, to me, is rather perplexing. Many prestige classes allow you to advance your spell-caster level in an existing class, and give you the rules on how to do so under the 'Spells per Day' description offered. Some of these classes instead give you a 'Spells per Day/Spells Known' description. For example, here is what is offered to an Archmage...

Spells per Day/Spells Known: When a new archmage level is gained, the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in whatever arcane spellcasting class in which he could cast 7th-level spells before he added the prestige class level. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained. If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class in which he could cast 7th-level spells before he became an archmage, he must decide to which class he adds each level of archmage for the purpose of determining spells per day.

Most spellcasting prestige classes, such as the Eldritch Knight, only give you a 'Spells per Day' offering, leaving out the 'Spells Known' portion. I always assumed that when advancing levels in these spellcasting prestige classes, a character who wished to advance his spellcaster level in, for example, the sorcerer class would automatically gain new Spells Known as if he had advanced in level as a sorcerer. But now that I've noticed that most such classes leave the 'spells known' portion out, it seems I may have been wrong.

Is this correct? In the Eldritch Knight example, would a sorcerer be wasting his time gaining levels in such a class? Would the sorcerer simply be increasing his spellcaster level, but gain no new spells known? I hope this isn't the case, because I feel the sorcerer is already at a disadvantage to the wizard and other full spellcasting classes, and this would only make matters worse, making most of the prestige classes I previously thought a good fit for a sorcerer no longer desirable.

Comments on this issue would be greatly appreciated.
 

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I've asked about this myself. The general consensus always seems to be that you get spells known as well for any prc that advances spellcasting ability; it's all part of the same 'package'.
 

Good.

How about the sorcerer's ability to swap an old, lower level spell for a new one starting at 4th level and every other level thereafter? Can they still do this when advancing levels in such Prestige Classes?
 

My group reads it as being anything listed under the base class's Spell description and/or is listed on the actual chart of Spells per day by Level. So, for the Sorcerer class, on page 54 of the standard 3.5 PHB, that whole description under Spells would apply. And, since the ability to swap out spells is listed under that paragraph, then, yes, the sorcerer can continue to do that.
 

I think you have to allow sorcerers new spells known for taking a level in a prestige class which gives caster progression, because otherwise no sorcerer would ever take a prestige class.

I also agree that since the "swap spell" ability is included under spellcasting in the PHB, it is not a separate ability so it should still apply to prestige classes which grant spellcasting progression.

More problematical is the wizard gaining 2 free spells in his spell book per level. This doesn't appear under spellcasting in the wizard description so arguably only wizards get it, not prestige classes which grant wizard spellcasting progression but no other wizard benefits.

I think that such a strict interpretation of the rules is a bit harsh though.
 

amethal said:
More problematical is the wizard gaining 2 free spells in his spell book per level. This doesn't appear under spellcasting in the wizard description so arguably only wizards get it, not prestige classes which grant wizard spellcasting progression but no other wizard benefits.

I think that such a strict interpretation of the rules is a bit harsh though.
It's in the rules somewhere though... that PrC wizards still get 2 free spells per level.

Mike
 

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spade413 said:
My group reads it as being anything listed under the base class's Spell description and/or is listed on the actual chart of Spells per day by Level. So, for the Sorcerer class, on page 54 of the standard 3.5 PHB, that whole description under Spells would apply. And, since the ability to swap out spells is listed under that paragraph, then, yes, the sorcerer can continue to do that.

I agree with this ruling, and so does my wizard/planeshifter.

Are you maybe looking at divine casting PrC's? That would be a good reason that they don't list spells known...
 


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