Going off core books, there's 1 that's CR15 with erm... Greater Teleport at will. Generally, that's reserved for 17+... Near Epic to me. (Yeah, many of the others have the nifty resistances, and a few immunities, but it's really the teleport at will that makes or breaks it, as at that point, walls become useless as a defensive measure anyway)James McMurray said:Or a large chunk of the CR 15 critters out there.
Prismatic Wall Question
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Sir Whiskers
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James McMurray said:
Do you know if this is specifically stated anywhere in the PH? I find it difficult to believe that the wall was intended to be vulnerable to such a common effect, but as written, the spell description could be interpreted either way (teleport works/teleport is blocked).
BTW, a point in favor of your interpretation is that wall of force does not block teleportation or dimension door. Granted, the spells are not identical, but they are similar in effect.
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James McMurray
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Nowhere does it state that abjurations extend into the astral plane. Thus the PW doesn't go into the astral.
PW does block line of effect for spells, but teleportation does not require a line of effect.
Those two combined mean that unless a spell or effect specifically states that it blocks teleportation, it doesn't block teleportation.
PW is more of a mook stopper than a spell for fighting the BBEG. Its also nice in conjunction with control winds or bigby's forceful hand.
It is stil a useul spell, but there ill be plenty of ties when a simple wall of stone would have given the same effect with more shapability.
PW does block line of effect for spells, but teleportation does not require a line of effect.
Those two combined mean that unless a spell or effect specifically states that it blocks teleportation, it doesn't block teleportation.
PW is more of a mook stopper than a spell for fighting the BBEG. Its also nice in conjunction with control winds or bigby's forceful hand.
It is stil a useul spell, but there ill be plenty of ties when a simple wall of stone would have given the same effect with more shapability.
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PW has some tactical uses (over wall of force): The caster can freely pass through without harm. It's also a bit more difficult to destroy than WoF.
Sir Whiskers
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James McMurray said:
I follow this reasoning, my question pertained to the part about teleportation and the Astral plane - I can't find that language anywhere in the description of teleport in the PH. Is this specified somewhere else in the core books? The only reference to planes in the description of teleport is that it can not be used to travel between planes, hence my question.
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LightPhoenix
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Er, pardon me for asking, but I don't quite understand what you're getting at here. Could you clarify?James McMurray said:
James McMurray
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Its possible I'm remembering the 3.0 wording, or a blurb from the Manual of the Planes. But even without that, Teleport doesn't require line of effect to the target, so PW doesn't stop it.
LightPhoenix said:
Sorry, I typed door, when I meant anchor.
Sir Whiskers
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James McMurray said:
Good idea! I never thought of using dimensional anchor against the violet layer.
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James McMurray said:
It is a long time ago now, but back in 1e IIRC one of the layers of the prismatic wall prevented teleportation working through it (otherwise it was a pretty useless defence against demons and devils!). The violet layer also used to be force field like wall of force which prevented things just walking through it.
Again, IIRC... I'm going off 15 year old memory here, and could easily be wrong.
I only mention this because the only times that prismatic etc has come up in my games was way back in the 1980's, and my gut reaction to what it did is based on the old rules. I wonder if anyone else finds the same?
