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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 9054064" data-attributes="member: 891">Single boss fights in PF2E actually feel like boss fights.A moderate encounter for a group of 4 PCs has an XP budget of 80. This means a single enemy will be PC level +2. If you were fighting a pack of creatures you might be looking at 2 NPCs of your level, or 4 level 1 NPCs, or 2 level 2 NPCs and 1 level 1. Or perhaps 8 'lackeys'.As a single boss, being 2 above you is a big deal in this system. On average every modifier it has is 2 better than you, and in this system that amounts to something like 30% lower DPS for your side over time, 20% harder success chances on everything, and more.This is something GMs should not use against you casually:You guys essentially loaded into a mid-level MMO dungeon as your very first log in, and started at the door to the first boss of the dungeon, skipping all the trash pulls and all the new player tutorials to go kill 5 squirrels and talk to 3 catgirls about how to swing a sword... It should have gone worse than it did. Next time listen to the guy at the loading screen that asks you to go fetch 5 squirrels first. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />If you're all new to the system, it's not just the players that need to 'go fight 5 squirrels' first, but also the GM. The GM needs to know what PCs can face and how to run encounters before throwing them at a mini-boss, just as much as the players do.[URL unfurl="true"]https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=497[/URL]- Using sound tactics and managing your resources is a bit hard when it's the very first encounter you ever face in a new system.I'm not sure I understand this? If I read that as I read it, it appears you feel that because it was a one-shot your group should have started at level 1 and not 3. That is probably the opposite of your intended statement.BUT... For a first experience with the system one shot or not, I would recommend level 1 just to get yourself eased in to the mechanics. However level 1 is typically the deadliest level at least in the low range.</blockquote>

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