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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 9057705" data-attributes="member: 891">This whole making choices and having limits is a key aspect of the design for any game based on classes and levels.It's the difference between playing this and something like GURPS or Champions.The limits work to give everyone in the party a clear idea of their role in the group. I'm the character that does the thing with the stuff, you're the character that does stuff with the things.I spent most of my gaming experience in 'point based classes tRPGs' and always used to think they were better as yes - they can reflect a person much better.But what they fail at is giving you a clear sense of 'game purpose'.There's a reason MMOs push you into a clear role. Even ones like Elder Scrolls and Guild Wars were you have so much going on with builds, and in particular Elder Scrolls where your class almost fades into the background - other things are in play to push people to a clear role. BUT they are weaker at doing it than a more 'this is your purpose in the game' MMO like FFXIV or WoW. So people mostly play FFXIV and WoW. You jump in and the game gives you a purpose.Pathfinder does that. D&D used to do that. I don't know 5E - but the conversation here makes me think the game has forgotten why Gygax gave it classes and levels. It was to tell a player, the moment they sat down; what they were there at the table to do. So they could jump right in and game.If you want 90% roleplay and 10% game - there's always Theatrix. And I mention that now obscure olf tRPG for a reason. It's the polar opposite of the classic D&D experience. Nothing is set in Theatrix and it's all about the roleplay. There's almost no 'game' to the game. That can leave players who are not drama majors or actual actors sitting at the table and lacking a sense of purpose. It can leave any player lacking a sense of challenge. It's more of a guide to improv acting than it is a game.PF2E is much closer to the classic D&D side of things. It's a game, that has roleplaying. And the limits and boundaries work to provide structure for the game and it's group of different players. Give each player a distinct purpose by limiting their options, so they each have a sense of purpose and know what to do with the character they are playing.</blockquote>

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