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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4506182" data-attributes="member: 710">Thasmodious, while I generally agree with what you say, I don't think Kamikaze Midget is speaking of a "design failure" in your sense. He speaks of failing or meeting his (and others) needs of a game. If he needs Craft and Profession, 4E is failure to meet his needs.My point would more be saying - it's easy to add one in. Which means it is not as big as a failure as a system where it would be hard to add one in later. Or take something out without breaking the system.I think in a certain way, a "completist" game can sometimes be the hardest to do. Because you will often feel compelled to still do it in the "spirit" of the game. A complete game will create a lot of precedents, and adding or chaning a sub-system can feel "dangerous".Many a house rules post was criticized for missing the "spirit" of the game - like using non-standard BAB or Save Progressions, saving throw DCs, even ability scores as feat prerequisites, and similar stuff. Quite a few modules were criticized for minor errors in stat-blocks (wrong skill modifiers, damage off, stuff like that). I can't really say I disagree with these statements. And certainly 4E is not free of this (even with this "exception based design idea" - the exceptions are still applied in a very controlled manner, using certain building blocks.)But a completist game means you have to bother with this every time you want to add/remove/change something.</blockquote>

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