PROOF that Empower Spell should not be allowed to stack with itself!

Re: kreynolds

Anubis said:
What's your problem, kreynolds? Why are you here disrespecting me and insulting me even though I have never done any such thing to you?

YA! Respect his Athoritaaay! :D

TimeCube er EMPOWER SPELL discovery makes him wiser than human/Gods, You were EDUCATED EVIL and cannot HOPE to argue against him U are too damm dumb to think.

Metalsmith
I crack me up.
 
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Re: Re: kreynolds

Metalsmith said:
TimeCube er EMPOWER SPELL discovery makes him wiser than human/Gods, You were EDUCATED EVIL and cannot HOPE to argue against him U are too damm dumb to think.

That site gives me the willies. Just the mere notion of the possibility that someone out there might actually believe in that nonsense fills me with dread in regards to the survival of the human race. :eek:
 

Re: Re: Re: kreynolds

kreynolds said:


That site gives me the willies. Just the mere notion of the possibility that someone out there might actually believe in that nonsense fills me with dread in regards to the survival of the human race. :eek:

I prefer to think of it as a Big Joke that someone put together one weekend after drinking too much Tequlia.

Metalsmith
 


I just went to that Time Cube web site . . .

Wow, that wisdom makes perfect sense!

NOT!

I read about a quarter down the page, and then it just started repeating itself! He says to offer proof against his theory, but he doesn't even explain his theory!

I have to wonder, since when were the mentally retarded able to create web sites and lecture at MIT? That's guy's Time Cube crap makes no sense!

Actually, that's wrong, there are SOME point that he has right, but it does NOTHING to help his argument. Please, someone explain it to me. I have a 150 IQ and I can't make heads or tails out of that nonsense.

Can there really be someone so stupid in the world? I would like to challenge him to acytually explain his little theory, and until then, I have no choice but to consider him insane. The reason no one would let him lecture is simple:

THE IDEA IS RIDICULOUS!

Sheesh . . . Someone, please explain it . . . Makes no sense . . .

Head . . . will . . . explode . . .
 

and ESPECIALLY James McMurray, you need to mature a bit and not throw insults around in a gaming environment, as it only makes you look childish.

Bite me, wuss-boy! :)

Ok, now that's out of my system. I personally think that you dropped the maturity level first by resorting to using the word broken three times in a single sentence when your supposed rules knowledge was proven wrong.

You also showed a lack of immaturity by completely ignoring evidence given against you up until the end, by insisting on continuing to use house rules in arules based discussion, nd by only choosing examples where your side could easily win..

That being said, though, I hold no ill will towards you. Life's too short to give a crap about total strangers. I'm glad you changed your mind about empower, but if you hadn't I would have kept giving examples. Not because I wanted you to change, but because I think that people spreading misinformation (intentionally or not) damage the game as a whole.
 


Hey Anubis, I know this is all over, but there were a couple of errors I wanted to point out to you just in case it comes up in a game.

Anubis said:

We'll use a Twice-Empowered Fireball and a Delayed Blast Fireball. This time we'll use a Level 20 Wizard.

Fireball [Empower x2]: 35 (3.5*10) + (3.5*10/2)*2 = 70 damage

Delayed Blast Fireball: 70 damage (3.5*20)

Seems they're equal again.

Actually, the DBF does (4.5*20) = 90 hp average - it does 1d8 per caster level, not 1d6 like a fireball.

Anubis said:

Wait a sec, lemme give a third example with much more stacking going on. We'll use a Thrice-Empowered Flame Arrow and compare it to Meteor Swarm. A Level 20 Wizard will cast these spells

Flame Arrow [Empower x3]: 70 (3.5*4*5) + (3.5*4*5/2)*3 = 175

Meteor Swarm: 84 (3.5*24) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) = 168

(I admit I still don't quite know how Meteor Swarm is supposed to work, the thing in the PH is very very poor at describing it. I'm not sure how a single person could be in the direct path of four meteors that go in different directions, honestly.)

Now stacking Empower Spell is starting to show its effects. This does offer proof that it seems to be balanced at low levels, not getting unbalanced until high levels.

Well...note that Flame Arrow is a single-target spell while Meteor Swarm is an area effect spell. I don't think they're comparable - a single target spell should do more damage than an area effect spell of the same level, don't you think?

Also, Flame Arrow has a save. Meteor swarm does not, at least not for the 24d6 that you take for being in the path of the spheres. The save for the burst effects is also 7 higher than the save for the flame arrow, which should count for something.

As for how meteor swarm works: The meteors from meteor swarm must burst in one of the patterns detailed in the book - it's not like you get to toss 4 (or 8) separate meteors to completely separate areas of the battlefield. So they really all go down the same line.

It's probably easiest to picture the meteors as going in a straight line to the 'center' of the burst pattern and spreading out from there, like some kind of magical MIRV warhead. That's the simplest eway to picture it and it fits the spell's description. Draw a line from you to the spell's 'point of origin', and if anyone is on that line, they take the 24d6 damage.

The part that is unclear to me is that the spell says if the spheres reach their destination they explode, which makes me wonder if they go away after hitting a single target and doing their 24d6 (no save).
 



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