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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7011556" data-attributes="member: 996">Setting that aside, can we agree that he's not inferior to the Champion 20?5th level spells and Tradition bennies vs 4th and Extra Attacks.&nbsp; Depends on what you're after, really.&nbsp;&nbsp; A fighter 11/Wiz 9 gets you that coveted 2nd extra attack while keeping 5th level spells.&nbsp; A fighter9/Wiz11 get's you 6th level spells...Not familiar.&nbsp; In the 1e PH, PC elves could get as high as 11th in magic-user, with an 18 INT, IIRC.&nbsp; Grey elves with a 19 might have been able to hit 12th, and thus create all those Elven _______ magic items, but I'm not 100% on that one...And that was one of the higher level limits.&nbsp; Most were single digits except for U in Thief.It works quite a bit differently, but you can change professions.&nbsp; You even retain full use of the old class from the start.&nbsp; But, you have that level 20 cap.&nbsp; It was the 3e version of MCing - though it was decidedly worse for caster/caster combos back then.But, was he really that great a fighter, or would Bladesinger cover it?IDK if I can accept an optional rule in 2e as establishing &quot;tradition.&quot;&nbsp; 1e &amp; 0D&amp;D should have something to say about it, too.&nbsp; Then there was 3e, from which 5e lifted in MCing system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7011556, member: 996"] Setting that aside, can we agree that he's not inferior to the Champion 20? 5th level spells and Tradition bennies vs 4th and Extra Attacks. Depends on what you're after, really. A fighter 11/Wiz 9 gets you that coveted 2nd extra attack while keeping 5th level spells. A fighter9/Wiz11 get's you 6th level spells... Not familiar. In the 1e PH, PC elves could get as high as 11th in magic-user, with an 18 INT, IIRC. Grey elves with a 19 might have been able to hit 12th, and thus create all those Elven _______ magic items, but I'm not 100% on that one... And that was one of the higher level limits. Most were single digits except for U in Thief. It works quite a bit differently, but you can change professions. You even retain full use of the old class from the start. But, you have that level 20 cap. It was the 3e version of MCing - though it was decidedly worse for caster/caster combos back then. But, was he really that great a fighter, or would Bladesinger cover it? IDK if I can accept an optional rule in 2e as establishing "tradition." 1e & 0D&D should have something to say about it, too. Then there was 3e, from which 5e lifted in MCing system. [/QUOTE]

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