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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7022283" data-attributes="member: 6787650">There's an impact from using different baselines: you're measuring relative to a Cleric 11/Wizard 9, and I'm measuring relative to a Wizard 20 or Cleric 1/Wizard 19. Again, an aesthetic judgment as to which one seems more plausible/common/archetypical and worth supporting. I find Cleric 11/Wizard 9 very uncool and don't care at all if it becomes irrelevant as long as Wizard 20 is still viable; you apparently find it cool enough that you want to keep it in your game even if that makes Wizard 20 relatively stronger than any multiclass split. (And there is nothing you can do to make Cleric 11/Wizard 9 as good a Wizard 20.)Bearing that difference in mind...There's a pretty huge difference between 4/3/3/3/2/1/1/1/0 + 4/3/3/3/2/1/1/1/0 and 8/6/6/6/4/2/2/2/0. Lumping the spell slots from both classes together would let the Cl 15 / Wiz 15 spend his cleric slots on wizard spells like Maze and Feeblemind. Getting to cast Maze x2 probably still isn't as good as getting to cast Shapechange x1 (there's a pretty huge jump in power at 9th level spells), but it's a lot better than only getting to cast Maze x1 is and having to take the Cleric 8 spell from a completely different list (of which Holy Aura and Antimagic Field are probably the best options) with a different set of spells-prepared pressures on it.Lumping the spells together is sort of like allowing spell slots to be shuffled between PCs, which is obviously more powerful for a party than having everyone cast only their own spells.Precisely. Not only is 94 + 94 less efficient than 188, but it's also 94 from a more limited spell list with no 9th level spells, and fewer synergies. (E.g. if you're an Evoker 15, 94 of those spell points do not benefit in any way from your Empowered Evocations, and the 94 points that DO benefit are the same spell points that are competing with your Walls of Force.) Trust me when I say my powergamer instincts don't jump for joy at the thought of having 94 + 94 spell points but no access to 9th level spells. They do kind of jump for joy at the thought of having an extra feat though, and being 90% of the way there towards having three extra feats, particularly if I were playing a SAD combination like Sorcerer/Warlock.Sure. I think we all understand the effects of our various choices, and the reason we went down different roads. Both of us have nerfed the combination that our own respective powergamer instincts tell us is exciting and a bit too powerful; we've left alone the combinations that seem kind of meh.</blockquote>

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