Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Pros and Cons of Kits, Prestige classes and Paragon paths. How 5e should handle it?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5865773" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>So discuss:</p><p></p><p>here is my opinion first. Feel free to disagree:</p><p></p><p>AdnD had kits. The bard´s handbook was full of differently flavoured bard kits, which allowed even different races to become bards of quite high levels. I really liked them a lot.</p><p></p><p>When Prestige classes were introduced in 3.0 I also liked them. They were introduced as classes in the DM book for players that earn a certain status. The problem was threefold:</p><p>first: prerequisites usually were not fullfilled by players if the DM wanted to reward them with those classes. </p><p>second: they were later used to fill holes in the multiclassing system.</p><p>third: they were usually narrow and were overpowered in certain situations and useless in others.</p><p></p><p>paragon paths were a good answer to the problem with prestige classes. With multiclassing and usually no requirements, you could really customize your character. After essentials had a default paragon path for every class, you even traded some assumed class abilities for different, possibly from differen classes.</p><p></p><p>So in 5e i would like to see themes fullfill the role of kits. And multiclassing should fullfill the role of paragon paths.</p><p>Prestige classes could be in. Requirements should usually be simple to fullfill. Like: fighter 1 and rogue 1. Or: fighter or rogue level 5.</p><p>Their powers need to be written, that they are useful at all levels. </p><p></p><p>Just like the powers of the base classes. If a fighter10/mage10 is viable, so should be a fighter2/wizard4/spellsword13.</p><p>So a working 3e style multiclass system will be the base of a good prestige class system. Each level of a class must be useful, no matter at which level you take it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 5865773, member: 59057"] So discuss: here is my opinion first. Feel free to disagree: AdnD had kits. The bard´s handbook was full of differently flavoured bard kits, which allowed even different races to become bards of quite high levels. I really liked them a lot. When Prestige classes were introduced in 3.0 I also liked them. They were introduced as classes in the DM book for players that earn a certain status. The problem was threefold: first: prerequisites usually were not fullfilled by players if the DM wanted to reward them with those classes. second: they were later used to fill holes in the multiclassing system. third: they were usually narrow and were overpowered in certain situations and useless in others. paragon paths were a good answer to the problem with prestige classes. With multiclassing and usually no requirements, you could really customize your character. After essentials had a default paragon path for every class, you even traded some assumed class abilities for different, possibly from differen classes. So in 5e i would like to see themes fullfill the role of kits. And multiclassing should fullfill the role of paragon paths. Prestige classes could be in. Requirements should usually be simple to fullfill. Like: fighter 1 and rogue 1. Or: fighter or rogue level 5. Their powers need to be written, that they are useful at all levels. Just like the powers of the base classes. If a fighter10/mage10 is viable, so should be a fighter2/wizard4/spellsword13. So a working 3e style multiclass system will be the base of a good prestige class system. Each level of a class must be useful, no matter at which level you take it. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Pros and Cons of Kits, Prestige classes and Paragon paths. How 5e should handle it?
Top