Psionics dispelled?!?

[Epiclevel39]

Ok...my game every Wed. I play a Psion. Everyone else is just core class (Ranger, etc.) and one day we are all cool and stuff walking through this dungeon and we see a bunch of glyphs and ruins of the wall. It turns out they're dispell magic ruins inscribed into the wall so obviously no magic can be cast/used in the dungeon. However, this is where the disagreement occured, he said that Psionic powers counted as Spells so I was not allowed to use anyof my powers...so I have NO weapons and now my only means of protection/offensive is dead. Help me someone! Prove my DM wrong! PSIOICS ARE NOT SPELLS

 

[Thanee]

Your DM is right, since he uses the standard option of psionic/magic transparency, obviously. Powers are effectively the same as spells (just a different name).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Ovinomancer]

Depends on where the DM has the transparency setting. They are, as he chooses, either affected/can affect magic, or something different. 'Course, once the DM chooses, that's how it is for the campaign. Unless he changes his mind, but then you should find a new DM.

 

[nameless]

The above posters are right. Psionic powers count as spells for dispel magic. So if the DM made a dungeon that had walls loaded with dispel magic runes that effectively made the area a giant antimagic field, it also applies to psionics.

I think your DM is a total foghat for creating a dungeon that uses DM fiat to make it a giant antimagic zone. It's not only completely unbalanced, but it probably neuters half of the party. If magic was stoppable like that without insanely high level epic spells, then you'd see "dispel runes" a lot more often...

 

[Epiclevel39]

Hmm...damn, looks like I am pretty much screwed for the game then, eh? Thanks guys, I'll try and strike a deal with my DM to allow me to "find" something to use as a weapon (cooking pot ) Wish me luck!

 

[the Jester]

How come you don't have any weapons?? Aren't you an adventurer??

 

[Saeviomagy]

Ok...my game every Wed. I play a Psion. Everyone else is just core class (Ranger, etc.) and one day we are all cool and stuff walking through this dungeon and we see a bunch of glyphs and ruins of the wall. It turns out they're dispell magic ruins inscribed into the wall so obviously no magic can be cast/used in the dungeon. However, this is where the disagreement occured, he said that Psionic powers counted as Spells so I was not allowed to use anyof my powers...so I have NO weapons and now my only means of protection/offensive is dead. Help me someone! Prove my DM wrong! PSIOICS ARE NOT SPELLS

Get together with the cleric and the mage and the bard and the druid and go on a totally different adventure in some other dungeon. And when the DM says "why are you doing this to me", kick him, because it's pretty obvious.

 

[Telperion]

There are some runes in Relics and Rituals, but those handle you average things like Sleep, Fire, Darkness etc.

Here's an interesting question: why aren't those Dispell Magic runes cancelling each other out? I mean a Dispell Magic spell affects everything within 30 feet, if it is magical. Given how much magic juice you would have to pour into one standard dungeon level the place it literally packed with magical energies that are constantly trying to cancel each other out. Such controversy tends to rub, tear and rip the fabric of reality, which in turn creates all sorts of interesting other problems.

So, I'm just asking: how come that dungeon is still "up and running"? It should be a pile of ashes, if even that. Maybe a sinkhole straight into Limbo or the Abyss...

 

[Brother MacLaren]

Okay, so it's effectively a dungeon in a dead magic zone and your DM is using the "psionics are a type of magic" setting, which is the default. Who cares about how the runes work? He could just as well have said "it's a dead magic zone."
Perhaps he wants a chance to present puzzles or challenges that would otherwise be too easily solved or bypassed through magic. Perhaps he wants you to rely on your skills and your character's intellect. It's not the best idea, but it's not horrible either. And as long as he doesn't make a habit of it, the magic-using PCs should rely on their other capabilities. A wizard is far more than a walking piece of artillery.
Saeviomagy - the wizard is *still* tremendously intelligent and has a bunch of knowledge skills. That is, in many stories, the wizard's greatest advantage - perhaps the DM is trying to give the wizard an opportunity to demonstrate. Likewise, the cleric and druid are still quite potent without magic, and at least two of the bard's major roles are largely unaffected (diplomacy, knowledge). I agree that if the DM wants to run a combat-heavy no-magic dungeon he is screwing over the magic users, but we don't know yet that the adventure involves fighting. It would be premature (and IMO petulant) for the magic-users to stage a walkout. A good adventure can be written to allow magic-users to shine in a dead-magic zone.

 

[Pax]

Ok...my game every Wed. I play a Psion. Everyone else is just core class (Ranger, etc.) and one day we are all cool and stuff walking through this dungeon and we see a bunch of glyphs and ruins of the wall. It turns out they're dispell magic ruins inscribed into the wall so obviously no magic can be cast/used in the dungeon.

Sounds like your DM owns the Stronghold Builder's Guide, and has applied the Sigils of Antimagic throughout the dungeon.

Take heart - if you DO go throughthe whole thing, those Sigils are magic items, worth no less than 66,000gp per 400 square feet of floor area. Assuming an average dungeon - say, ten 20x20 rooms, and corridors totalling ~160' at an average of 10' wide ... that should come to 726,000gp of loot, without considering the stuff from the creatures inside!

However, this is where the disagreement occured, he said that Psionic powers counted as Spells so I was not allowed to use anyof my powers...

Asothers have said, that is the default situation. Of course, this means you can learn the psionic versions of antimagic field and dispel magic, and then expect them to work against wizard and cleric (etc) spells. ^_^

so I have NO weapons and now my only means of protection/offensive is dead. Help me someone! Prove my DM wrong! PSIOICS ARE NOT SPELLS

Um.

You're an adventurer, and you didn't PLAN for the possibility that your psionics might not be available to you?

SHAME on you! Just a SLING and a BAG OF ROCKS would help ... !