Ptolus at Amazon?

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I just saw this message from Monte Cook after some retailers were upset to see the Plotus book on Amazon for pre-order. I thought people should know as this kind of crap happens a lot with Amazon (many people pre-order to get the book a week or two after everyone else or not at all):


Retailers get burned by Amazon and other similar sellers (but lets be real, it's 99% Amazon) all the time. The higher the price, the more they get burned. (Retailers got burned on World's Largest Dungeon, for example, although eventually even Amazon got burned on that one, but that's a long story.) The thing that happens is that your local retailer buys a book and puts it in his store. Then, a customer comes in, flips through it, decides to buy it, but doesn't buy it from the store. He goes home and orders it through Amazon to get a big discount.

We decided early on that we didn't want that to happen to Ptolus. We want to help out our retailers. So beyond selling direct through the website, we're offering Ptolus only to hobby distributors. Not book trade distributors.

So here's what likely happened. Amazon has found out that the book is coming, perhaps through their related third party vendors (do they still call them z-shops or something? I think so.). Anyway, they've listed the book, assuming that they're going to get it the way that they've always recieved books from us. But we're not selling Ptolus to their normal suppliers, or directly to them. It's possible that Amazon will buy it through hobby distributors, but that's quite unlikely. And if they do, they'll likely not honor the $75 price, because they'll be losing money with each one.

Here's the really crappy part. Even though we're contacting Amazon directly right now and explaining the situation, it's very, very unlikely that they'll take that page down. They do this to drive attention to their associated third party vendors who will be selling the book--almost certainly not for $75, having bought it through the normal hobby channels. This means that people are going to preorder and order through Amazon to get the discount and very likely never get their book. The consumers will eventually get a refund, but it will be long after our online and retail preorder programs are over. (Conceivably, it could be after the book is sold out.)

I'm not going to tell anyone what to do with their money, but if you or anyone you know is planning on ordering through Amazon via that page at that discount, be very, very cautious. It's possible that you'll get it, but in my informed opinion, it seems very unlikely. In fact, you might want to warn people about this.

I will also say that it's a free market. If Amazon wants to track down a hobby distributor to buy from, and then still sell it for a huge discount, and lose money, we can't actually prevent them from doing that. Your local hobby store might decide to buy a copy of Ptolus for all of their good and loyal customers and give them away for free too. I don't control what happens on that end. I don't think either is likely, however.

Monte
www.montecook.com

RPGShop.com (who runs the affiliate store here) will have plenty on hand, but we don't take pre-orders. So watch the newsletter (check your account settings).

James
 

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I was wondering when someone would notice that $75 Ptolus at Amazon.com.

I sometimes wonder if this is the book that will break Malhavok? For some of us, that $75 price make this book look a lot better and Amazon.com gift cards are not that hard to come by and that can bring this book down to the price of a normal RPG book.

Considering that Monte admits that he decided not to sell to Amazon.com, won't that mean he will get the blame? Amazon can just send a link to the message above and say sorry he won't sell to us. I do all my business with Amazon.com (for the discount and free shipping as an Amazon Prime member) and EnWorldRPG Shop (For stuff not not at Amazon). And yes I know about the $10 a month price, but I do not know that store and do not shop with those online I do not trust or know. If that deal had been offered by way of RPG Shop, I would have had no problem buying it from James.

If I do buy this book, it will be because I did get my hands on an Amazon gift card and if I never get it, it will not be Amazon.com I blame.
 

I can't help but understand the situation.

Still it bothers me most seriously, given that my "local retailer" is Amazon (there's no local retailer)... and I end up paying the normal price after their discounts (shipping is one big RatBastard (tm))...

I hope Amazon will actually be selling the book. Monte's works have had a ginormous ( :D ) positive impression on me, and it'd be a tragedy to lose the possibility of accessing Ptolus.

And an Epic Scale Tragedy (tm) to lose my possibility to access Ptolus because of Monte's decision.
 


It will be interesting to see if amazon finds a way to fulfill those orders.

Of course, pre-ordering was certainly the way to go on this one (IMO) since you get some nice bonuses.
 

No offense, but this just has the potential to screw with the customers. They order with Amazon, they don't get it, they get it late, they get it on time. In the first two instances there's an unhappy customer, that might blame Amazon, until they hear that the publisher is to 'blame'. Now, if i buy it through hobby distributors i get a ~50% discount if i buy more then just one or two copies. If i sell it at $75 online i stil make a profit of $15/book (that might not seem like a lot but it adds up quickly). Now i life in europe and the advised retail price is €119.99, do the math. (btw. i preordered it last year through the ww site)

Not to mention that it creates unreasonable expectations with the retailesrs...
 
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Yeah, this is kind of a weird decision. The only store locally that sells RPG books, for me, is Waldenbooks. They do stock WotC products, but that's about it. Frankly, I don't really feel "better" supporting them than Amazon. And in many cases, even if I wanted to, I couldn't. So I do all of my RPG purchases through Amazon. It's cheaper, and I don't really have that many alternatives. So yeah, for many customers, this is paramount to "forcing" them to buy through the WW site. Like Monte said, it's a free market, but I don't really see the point.
 

If retailers got burned on the WLD as Monte indicates above, they may have been reluctant to stock Ptolus. This may be Monte's way of assuring that game stores agree to stock the product.
 


"If I do buy this book, it will be because I did get my hands on an Amazon gift card and if I never get it, it will not be Amazon.com I blame."

I don't get this statement. Monte actually went so far as to tell Amazon he would not be using them and they still choose to keep it up. In a sense they are using false advertising, but you choose to blame the guy that is TELLING you it will probably not be available at Amazon? Makes no sense to me, I thought it was pretty nice of Malhavoc to let people know about this. I also think it is great that they are choosing to support the FLGS's of the world. I always pay a little more for my RPG books when I go to the store, but that is because I like having a store to go to. It's nice to have a place to meet and talk with like minded individuals. And you don't have to by the book from WW, you can get the .PDF's from Drivethrurpg.com as well. Of course, I am an unabashed Malhavoc fan and preordered Ptolus so I may be biased....
 

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