"Quality Standards" in the d20 System Guide

[Psion]

Actually, no they're not. They don't publish under the license, so they can't violate it. They can slap the logo on anything they want without using the license since they own the logo.

Precisely. I'm surpsised that so few people don't understand this. Just like they aren't required to publish under the OGL either. Is it "fair"? No. Is it required to be? No. It's their trademark, if they want to spell out the terms by which people can use their product, that is within their rights, but it obligates them to nothing special.

 

[Psion]

I believe it is their right to not have pornography (such as the BoEF) associated with their trademark. Do you really think that WotC will be able to say that BoEF isn't associated with D&D and have people actually believe that? No way. Hasbro's corporate image IS at stake here and they have a right to take action to defend it.

Precisely. They didn't do this because they are mean and nasty. They did this because they are protecting their image from a few profiteers who couldn't play nice and forced their hand.

If you want to blame someone, thank Valar for urinating in the pool.

 

[poilbrun]

I support WotC's decision. I believe it is their right to not have pornography (such as the BoEF) associated with their trademark. Do you really think that WotC will be able to say that BoEF isn't associated with D&D and have people actually believe that? No way. Hasbro's corporate image IS at stake here and they have a right to take action to defend it.

But do you really think that removing the D20 logo from the back of the book and removing the Dungeons and Dragons title on the front page change the fact that everyone will now it is supposed to be used with D&D? Even without this, won't the book be put on the D20 shelf at your local game store?

 

[poilbrun]

Precisely. They didn't do this because they are mean and nasty. They did this because they are protecting their image from a few profiteers who couldn't play nice and forced their hand.

If you want to blame someone, thank Valar for urinating in the pool.

I can assure you I'd really like to disagree with you... but I can only agree, unfortunately

 

[Truth Seeker]

Wow...they finally did it....they got both the size fourteen boots to fit into their mouth.

That was a feat never thought to happen.....

 

[NarlethDrider]

.... Talk to Orcus if you want a lawyer.

The BoVD one or Tome of Horrors?

Sorry for the lame attempt at humor, but I'm at work & not fully awake yet. Anywho, when I first read about this, it made me think of censorship---maybe a kneejerk reaction, but the first thing that came to mind. I can understand that why WoTC/Hasbro wouldn't want any 'morally questionable material' associated with it, Hasbro has a reputation to maintain----besides, now, maybe, WoTC can stop other companies from publishing stuff thats better than theirs

now I'm gonna go get some more coffee & try & wake up---maybe it will cure some of my stupidity

 

[Belen]

I agree with WOTC's decision. I doubt that the issue would have come up if Valar had not decided to use the d20 license and D&D trademark so prominnently on their cover. So what if Wizards does not want the "Dungeons and Dragons" trademark on the BOEF? I doubt that they will pursue publishers like Mongoose. The change was designed to stop fetish-oriented porn from carrying the Dungeons and Dragons name on the cover.

Big deal. I happen to think the move it wonderful and I will fully support WOTC from this point on.

For me, it seemed that Valar and Tony Valterra were thumbing their nose at WOTC. They were saying, "Yeah, we are going to print this material, and put your trademark on it in big letters. Thanks for giving us the chance to make the extra money using your name."

The BOEF can still be printed under OGL. I am glad that they cannot use the D&D logo. This means that I will not have to explain that BOEF is not a part if DnD to lay people. If the trademark is not on the cover is it much easier to dissassociate the porn from the game.

You guys are worried that WOTC will use the new rules against people like Mongoose. That's bunk. They will only use the new rules against people like Valar. Period.

Kudos, WOTC!

Huzzah!

 

[Robbert Raets]

What exactly is Hasbro afraid of? Waldenbooks is not carrying the Slayers Guide to Boobies.

Actually.....
The Slayer's Guide to Amazons had a centrehold.....

 

[jmucchiello]

Actually, no they're not. They don't publish under the license, so they can't violate it. They can slap the logo on anything they want without using the license since they own the logo.

Precisely. I'm surpsised that so few people don't understand this. Just like they aren't required to publish under the OGL either. Is it "fair"? No. Is it required to be? No. It's their trademark, if they want to spell out the terms by which people can use their product, that is within their rights, but it obligates them to nothing special.

Actually, I was one of the first to call them hypocrits and I'll stick to that characterization. I know they aren't bound by their own trademark license. I just think if they wanted to reduce the amount of bare female nipples associated with the d20 logo, they should avoid including them in their own books. If they don't want the d20 logo to be associated with risque material, they should not put their d20 logo on books like BoVD.

They didn't have to include the logo on their mature product line book. But they did. If BoVD did not have the d20 logo on it, I would have no reason to complain since they would have obviously shielded the logo from similar material in their own products.

 

[Cergorach]

I agree with WOTC's decision. I doubt that the issue would have come up if Valar had not decided to use the d20 license and D&D trademark so prominnently on their cover. So what if Wizards does not want the "Dungeons and Dragons" trademark on the BOEF? I doubt that they will pursue publishers like Mongoose. The change was designed to stop fetish-oriented porn from carrying the Dungeons and Dragons name on the cover.

Big deal. I happen to think the move it wonderful and I will fully support WOTC from this point on.

For me, it seemed that Valar and Tony Valterra were thumbing their nose at WOTC. They were saying, "Yeah, we are going to print this material, and put your trademark on it in big letters. Thanks for giving us the chance to make the extra money using your name."

The BOEF can still be printed under OGL. I am glad that they cannot use the D&D logo. This means that I will not have to explain that BOEF is not a part if DnD to lay people. If the trademark is not on the cover is it much easier to dissassociate the porn from the game.

You guys are worried that WOTC will use the new rules against people like Mongoose. That's bunk. They will only use the new rules against people like Valar. Period.

Kudos, WOTC!

Huzzah!

This is so much crap! WotC turned in a new road themselves with the release of Book of Vile Darkness, releasing themselves books with content rated for adults they opened up a new market. D20 being the support label for D&D i find it strange that WotC reacts in this way, it is directly oposite on what they've done so...

Sorry fo r being not completely at the moment, but i'm not that healthy at this time (freaking flu)...