Question about Dispel Magic

[Alejandro]

If a caster targets a Dispel Magic on a creature who has Magic Vestments active on its armor and shield, are those spells considered part of the creature (and thus subject to a targetted Dispel Magic) or part of those two objects (and thus not subject to a Dispel Magic on the creature)?

Please provide documentation if possible. Thanks!

 

[hong]

All enchantments active on the creature are affected. In 3E, a creature's items are generally considered part of itself for the purposes of attacks and magic. This is why you don't have to make separate saves for all your items when you get hit by a fireball, for instance.

 

[Alejandro]

Anyone else have an opinion, pro or con?

Please consider the following counterargument, put forth by my gaming group:

Magic Vestment has Target: Armor or shield touched. Greater Magic Weapon has Target: Weapon or projectiles touched.

There are two forms of Dispel Magic. Targeted affects an object, creature, or spell. Area affects everything within a 30-foot radius, excluding permanent magic items.

The crux of the discussion seems to revolve around "What is the target of the spell or enchantment?" Since a Targeted Dispel Magic requires you to only target one object, creature, or spell, why should targeting the creature also result in the Dispel of Magic Vestment or GMW since those spell affect legally distinct objects?

The DM is currently endorsing the following solution: Targeted Dispels affect one object (including permanent magic items with GMW active, for example), creature (including all spells which have Target: creature), or spell. You must Target a creature to affect its creature-specific spells and use Area to get everything else (like spells on items).

What do you think?

 

[kreynolds]

Anyone else have an opinion, pro or con?

Hong is correct.

 

[mikebr99]

Hong is correct.

I'll second this...

Arms and armour that are being used, are thereby attended and are part of the creature in question... not a separate target... unless the specific item is the target, and not the creature...

 

[Shin Okada]

I have been thinking that a character and his equipment are separate target unless otherwise noted. So, when targeting a creature, only spells cast on that creature is cancelled, not the spells on the items he carry. So targeted dispel do not affect Magic Vestment of Greater Magic weapon.

Also, I have been thinking that an area dispel may dispel all the spells cast on his armor, shield, and weapon at once.

Say, a fighter is boosted by Haste and Bless, and his armor and shield are boosted by Magic Vestment, and his sword is boosted by Greater Magic Weapon.

*Targeted Dispel (the target is the fighter)

Make dispel checks for Haste and Bless (Only). If the mage is lucky, both of those spells may be dispelled.

Magic Vestment spells and Greater Magic Weapon are never dispelled.

*Area Dispel (the fighter is within the area)

For the fighter, up to one spells on him (Haste of Bless in this case) may be dispelled.

Also, make dispel checks for Magic Vestment spells (one for armor, one for shield) and for Greater Magic Weapon. If the mage is lucky, all the three spells may be dispelled.

That is how I have been played. But frankly speaking, I am not sure if it is definitely the correct way.

 

[Crothian]

Hong is correct.

Kreynolds is correct about Hong being correct.