Question about monster attacks

[apsuman]

Help me please:

A dragon Disciple with BAB +10/+5 has A bite and 2 claw attacks.

1. Now, if taking the full attack option how many attacks can he make?

2. Does this change if his BAB were +12/+7/+2 ?

3. How does this change if he has the multi attack monster feat?



Thanks,


g!

 

[Magic Slim]

Bite +10/+5 and claws +5 each, no?

With multi-attack, bite +10/+5 and claws +8?

If at +12/+7/+2 you get

bite +12 bite +7 bite +2 claw +7 claw +7

or, with the multi-attack feat

bite +12 bite +7 bite +2 claw +10 claw +10

Slim

 

[Diirk]

Bite +10/+5 and claws +5 each, no?

With multi-attack, bite +10/+5 and claws +8?

If at +12/+7/+2 you get

bite +12 bite +7 bite +2 claw +7 claw +7

or, with the multi-attack feat

bite +12 bite +7 bite +2 claw +10 claw +10

Slim

No iterative attacks for natural weapons.. so wouldn't it be Bite +10, 2x claw +5 ? with the option to instead use iterative attacks (weapon/monk attacks instead of natural claws) as weapon +10/+5, bite +5 (or +8 multiattack)

+12/+7/+2 would be Bite +12, 2x claw +7 or Weapon +12/+7/+2, Bite +7 (+10 multiattack).

As far as I can tell anyway..

 

[Magic Slim]

Yeah wasn't sure about the iterative attacks. They DO look kinda stupid.

Sorry about the confusion.

Slim

 

[reapersaurus]

Well, as far I know, the current (silly) rules are that :
1) It depends.
If he's using just claws and bite, he only gets +10 claw/+10 claw/+5 bite, no iterative attacks.
Plop a weapon in one hand, and he'll get +10 weapon/+5 claw/+5 bite/+5 weapon.
2) It is similar: with a weapon ion one hand, it's +12 weapon/+7 claw/+7 bite/+7 weapon/+2 weapon
3) Multiattack simply makes all the secondary natural attacks a -2 instead of a -5.
So #2 with MultiAttack is +12 weapon/+10 claw/+10 bite/+7 weapon/+2 weapon

 

[Camarath]

No iterative attacks for natural weapons.. so wouldn't it be Bite +10, 2x claw +5 ? with the option to instead use iterative attacks (weapon/monk attacks instead of natural claws) as weapon +10/+5, bite +5 (or +8 multiattack)

+12/+7/+2 would be Bite +12, 2x claw +7 or Weapon +12/+7/+2, Bite +7 (+10 multiattack).

As far as I can tell anyway..

When using a manufactured weapon(s) while also using natural weapons, all usable (i.e. not being use to wield a weapon) natural weapons give you attacks as secondary natural weapons and you gain all the attacks (including iterative attacks) with your manufactured weapon(s) that you would normally be entitled to.

In this case if you used a one-handed weapon you attacks would be One-Handed weapon +10/+5 Claw +5 Bite +5 or with increased BAB and mulitattack One-Handed weapon +12/+7/+2 Claw +10 Bite +10. If you used a two-handed weapon you attacks would be Two-Handed weapon +10/+5 Bite +5 or with increased BAB and mulitattack Two-Handed weapon +12/+7/+2 Bite +10. If you used a no-handed weapon (armor spikes or unarmed strikes) you attacks would be No-Handed weapon +10/+5 Claw +5/+5 Bite +5 or with increased BAB and mulitattack No-Handed weapon +12/+7/+2 Claw +10/+10 Bite +10.

Total Attacks = Manufactured Weapons Attacks[at normal bonuses] + (All Natural Weapon Attacks[as secondary Natural Weapons (i.e. normal -5 mulitattack -2)] – any Natural Weapons Being used to wield Manufactured Weapons)

Relevant SRD sections

Some creatures combine attacks with natural and manufactured weapons when they make a full attack. When they do so, the manufactured weapon attack is considered the primary attack unless the creature’s description indicates otherwise and any natural weapons the creature also uses are considered secondary natural attacks. These secondary attacks do not interfere with the primary attack as attacking with an off-hand weapon does, but they take the usual –5 penalty (or –2 with the Multiattack feat) for such attacks, even if the natural weapon used is normally the creature’s primary natural weapon.

The primary weapon is given in the creature’s Attack entry, and the primary weapon or weapons is given first in the creature’s Full Attack entry. A creature’s primary natural weapon is its most effective natural attack, usually by virtue of the creature’s physiology, training, or innate talent with the weapon. An attack with a primary natural weapon uses the creature’s full attack bonus. Attacks with secondary natural weapons are less effective and are made with a –5 penalty on the attack roll, no matter how many there are. (Creatures with the Multiattack feat take only a –2 penalty on secondary attacks.) This penalty applies even when the creature makes a single attack with the secondary weapon as part of the attack action or as an attack of opportunity.