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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SBMC" data-source="post: 2460230" data-attributes="member: 30040">Fighter versus Warrior: Some of you have mixed and matched a fighter and warrior; as if they are comparable. Think about what a fighter is; he is more than just a professional hack and slash expert. He is the master of the art of war. A fighter is leaps and bounds ahead of a warrior in most ways - thus in a DnD setting fighters would almost always have a leadership role in a military organization. They are the fully trained elite of fighting men and women. Warriors are the standard fare of troops - fighters are the ones who got extensive schooling (one way or the other) in the art of war.  However there are those "professional armies" (Cormyr comes to mind) that do indeed field fighters only. However local militias, reserves, town guards and the like would still be warriors. This professional army would be he standing army; not the full blown wartime contingent of the army. And note - this would be expensive to field given the extensive training required.  See the following link: <a href="http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/cormyrforces.htm" target="_blank">http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/cormyrforces.htm</a> In most armies Fighters would be the squad leaders (at the lowest levels) and above with most warriors never getting into any sort of a leadership role unless they truly excel. In other words a 1st level fighter could command even 2nd or 3rd level warriors - as if Fighters are the "Officers" that command even more "experienced" troops. Ranks and LevelsTruly ranks and levels have nothing to do with one another. Would a 15th level Chaotic Neutral character actually be of a higher rank than a Lawful Neutral Character in a military organization? The Chaotic character would have a very hard time working within a military structure to begin with (staying true to the alignment that is). Does a 4th level Warrior have better skills than a 3rd level Fighter? ExperienceDon't forget that the world is made up of folks that rarely get past 1st level at all. The most common ones who do are master crafts people and the like that actually get work that generates a small volume of experience points daily. Warriors would tend to be those that "signed up" went to "basic training" then went to their units to serve their time in the army (or navy perhaps). If warriors serve in an army in a long term war they may rise in level - but they would be career type soldiers and as such would tend to be actual fighters anyway not line troops.  One of my own characters that has the Leadership feat recruited a starting contingent of followers He has 15 first level warriors and 1 5th level warrior (their commander - go figure a warrior!). So who are the "squad" leaders? A first level warrior with 500 Experience points is more experienced than a first level warrior with 10 experience points. This is not discernable mechanically in the rules but it does exist in roleplay. That 500 xp NPC might be 40 years old as well - making him wiser amongst other things.------------------------------------As a side note: In a campaign I ran if an NPC that started as a Warrior then got the proper experience and/or schooling I would then allow for a conversion to the fighter class of his warrior class levels. But that has only happened once with a follower (the PC paid for the schooling himself). Without a PC around - if I were developing NPC's from start to finish I would do the same thing; after a certain level of experience and training the Warrior really becomes a fighter. Of course the NPC would have to take the steps to make this conversion such a finding a high level fighter to train him and the like. Thus I could still have plenty of high level warriors around. The rules would say Multi-class but I have a different opinion.----------------------------------------The "Heroes of the Battle" book details these ideas in a variety of places. I don't agree with all of them - I think many examples are "fighter heavy" and the Dwarf portion is out of whack but that is my opinion. Modern Army Structure: Page 15Feudal Military Hierarchy: Page 15Clan Hierarchy: Page 16Clan Military Structure: Page 16Commanders (and commander rating): Page 75Sample Ranks (table 4-6) Page 76Examples of armies: Starts on page 137 (Appendix 1)</blockquote>

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