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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9091332" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>Presumably you are referring to a rogue, since a fighter would have two attacks. But the rogue can't add sneak attack damage to a cantrip, so the bow remains the better option. Also 1d8+ 3 is 7.5 average damage, but with +3 to hit over the cantrip, so even without sneak attack the damage difference is minuscule (e.g. against AC 15 it's 4.5 damage with the one longbow attack vs. 4.95 with the two firebolt attacks). Unless the rogue also has high intelligence...but by level 5 they should have at least a +4 dexterity bonus, anyway.</p><p></p><p>As for other martial classes (fighter, paladin, barbarian), at level 5 firebolt does 11 damage (average) - not great, but better than a martial class would get from, say, a longbow (9 average damage) <em>if</em> the martial had no dex bonus. If the martial class has a dex bonus of +1 or better the longbow pulls ahead (same average damage, better chance to hit). </p><p></p><p>So we are talking about a tiny damage increase from having the cantrip only in the case of martial classes with low dexterity. Which doesn't seem worth worrying about. Frankly, I think they could pick a much more useful cantrip and just carry a bow, unless they are taking something like firebolt for the flavour. In which case, bless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9091332, member: 7035894"] Presumably you are referring to a rogue, since a fighter would have two attacks. But the rogue can't add sneak attack damage to a cantrip, so the bow remains the better option. Also 1d8+ 3 is 7.5 average damage, but with +3 to hit over the cantrip, so even without sneak attack the damage difference is minuscule (e.g. against AC 15 it's 4.5 damage with the one longbow attack vs. 4.95 with the two firebolt attacks). Unless the rogue also has high intelligence...but by level 5 they should have at least a +4 dexterity bonus, anyway. As for other martial classes (fighter, paladin, barbarian), at level 5 firebolt does 11 damage (average) - not great, but better than a martial class would get from, say, a longbow (9 average damage) [I]if[/I] the martial had no dex bonus. If the martial class has a dex bonus of +1 or better the longbow pulls ahead (same average damage, better chance to hit). So we are talking about a tiny damage increase from having the cantrip only in the case of martial classes with low dexterity. Which doesn't seem worth worrying about. Frankly, I think they could pick a much more useful cantrip and just carry a bow, unless they are taking something like firebolt for the flavour. In which case, bless. [/QUOTE]
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