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<blockquote data-quote="samb1230" data-source="post: 4651524" data-attributes="member: 82289">Go reread XPH or SRD, it clearly states that ML is equal to the sum of all the psionic classes. It is not a house rule. Practiced manifester is to increase how powerful your powers are when you have a non-manifesting classes mixed in.My DM is a lawyer and not the type to bend the rules.&nbsp; He even bans unearthed arcana.&nbsp; This just means that I can't take a high level power like ultrablast at a level lower than i normally could.&nbsp; If I took 15 levels in psion i could get ultrablast, or if i went psion 14/ardent 1.&nbsp; Both end up the same manifesting level, while dipping unto ardent would give me less power points in the long run (23 to be exact and that is without counting bonus from INT, and that is ALOT).&nbsp; The only benefit dipping into ardent would that some powers that have power level greater than twice the power cost would be selected sooner, and that you could access powers that are normally prohibited to you, like a telepath able to make astral constructs (which is usually reserved for shapers).&nbsp; Its like a super charged expanded psionic knowlegde feat.Psionic lion's charge is a lvl 3 power.&nbsp; Normally a psi warrior would need to be psi warrior7 to select it.&nbsp; but with a dip into ardent he can now pick it as early as lvl 3 (although he would not have the extra attacks to benefit for it).&nbsp; Huslte is a better example, as a level 2 power with a cost of 1 point, normally a psi warrior needs to be lvl 4 to have acess to it.&nbsp; But an ardent can get it right from the start.&nbsp; These benefits wane in the long run because a full psi warrior would have better BAB and higher lvl powers, while a full psion/wilder would have more points (of course both would have access to the spells desired as well).It all balances out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="samb1230, post: 4651524, member: 82289"] Go reread XPH or SRD, it clearly states that ML is equal to the sum of all the psionic classes. [B] It is not a house rule.[/B] Practiced manifester is to increase how powerful your powers are when you have a non-manifesting classes mixed in. My DM is a lawyer and not the type to bend the rules. He even bans unearthed arcana. This just means that I can't take a high level power like ultrablast at a level lower than i normally could. If I took 15 levels in psion i could get ultrablast, or if i went psion 14/ardent 1. Both end up the same manifesting level, while dipping unto ardent would give me less power points in the long run (23 to be exact and that is without counting bonus from INT, and that is ALOT). The only benefit dipping into ardent would that some powers that have power level greater than twice the power cost would be selected sooner, and that you could access powers that are normally prohibited to you, like a telepath able to make astral constructs (which is usually reserved for shapers). Its like a super charged expanded psionic knowlegde feat. Psionic lion's charge is a lvl 3 power. Normally a psi warrior would need to be psi warrior7 to select it. but with a dip into ardent he can now pick it as early as lvl 3 (although he would not have the extra attacks to benefit for it). Huslte is a better example, as a level 2 power with a cost of 1 point, normally a psi warrior needs to be lvl 4 to have acess to it. But an ardent can get it right from the start. These benefits wane in the long run because a full psi warrior would have better BAB and higher lvl powers, while a full psion/wilder would have more points (of course both would have access to the spells desired as well). It all balances out. [/QUOTE]

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