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<blockquote data-quote="samb1230" data-source="post: 4651534" data-attributes="member: 82289">When you really look at it a dip into ardent as a pure psionic character is only good if you wish to gain access to prohibited powers and even that costs you power points in the long run.&nbsp; This is mainly due to the fact that most psionic classes will get access to the desired power later or at the same time, but have more points to spend on them as well making them superior all around.Although one clever way to bypass lose of points would be pick Mental might mantle with the feats tap mantle and don mantle as a psi warrior.&nbsp; Since Mental might adds 2 points to wisdom for the purposes of calculating bonus points to whatever class granted mental might.&nbsp; Since the mantle was granted by psiwarrior (via feats) you get more bonus points each level (psiwarrior uses wisdom as its main modifier).&nbsp; By lvl 20 you would have 10 more points that you should ha you gone full psiwarrior.&nbsp; But this still costs 2 feats just to make up for power point deficit.Ardent is a better dip for mostly non-psionic characters that want particular powers.&nbsp; Like a rogue or fighter that wants to move/charge someone and do a full action.&nbsp; Then a dip into ardent for conflict (bonus feat: weapon focus) and picking up practiced manifester would allow for psionic lion charge by lvl 3, or a dip into freedom mantle (bonus feat: speed of thought) to get hustle and practiced manifester to get freedom of movement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="samb1230, post: 4651534, member: 82289"] When you really look at it a dip into ardent as a pure psionic character is only good if you wish to gain access to prohibited powers and even that costs you power points in the long run. This is mainly due to the fact that most psionic classes will get access to the desired power later or at the same time, but have more points to spend on them as well making them superior all around. Although one clever way to bypass lose of points would be pick Mental might mantle with the feats tap mantle and don mantle as a psi warrior. Since Mental might adds 2 points to wisdom for the purposes of calculating bonus points to whatever class granted mental might. Since the mantle was granted by psiwarrior (via feats) you get more bonus points each level (psiwarrior uses wisdom as its main modifier). By lvl 20 you would have 10 more points that you should ha you gone full psiwarrior. But this still costs 2 feats just to make up for power point deficit. Ardent is a better dip for mostly non-psionic characters that want particular powers. Like a rogue or fighter that wants to move/charge someone and do a full action. Then a dip into ardent for conflict (bonus feat: weapon focus) and picking up practiced manifester would allow for psionic lion charge by lvl 3, or a dip into freedom mantle (bonus feat: speed of thought) to get hustle and practiced manifester to get freedom of movement. [/QUOTE]

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