Question on Awakened Animals

[Angel Tarragon]

If an awakened female animal has children are they considered to be awakened? Also is it possible for an animal to be awakened and then receive templates normally had through breeding? I.E. An awakened half-celestial half-gold dragon Dire bear?

 

[Conaill]

If an awakened female animal has children are they considered to be awakened? Also is it possible for an animal to be awakened and then receive templates normally had through breeding? I.E. An awakened half-celestial half-gold dragon Dire bear?

Most of this stuff isn't covered in the rules, so it's essentially up to the DM to decide.

The half-whatever templates would have to be achieved though crossbreeding. I.e. you can't add a half-celestial template to an awakened animal (because half-celestial is an inherited template), and you can't awaken a half-celestial animal (because an animal doesn't have enough Int to add the half-celestial template to, and you wouldn't be able to awaken such a creature anyway because it's type would change to outsider).

But you *could* potentially breed an awakened animal with a celestial and get a half-celestial awakened animal offspring, provided (1) your DM decided offspring of an awakened animal are awakened as well, and (2) your DM decided half-celestials are the offspring of celestials and mortals. Ditto for half-dragons. As for why dragons or celestials would want to mate with awakened animals... well, to each his own furry fetish, I guess.

Edit: Almost forgot... check out the Awakened Animals link in my sig for more info on how exactly to apply the Awaken rules.

 

[mercucio]

If an awakened female animal has children are they considered to be awakened? Also is it possible for an animal to be awakened and then receive templates normally had through breeding? I.E. An awakened half-celestial half-gold dragon Dire bear?

I check the description of the awaken spell, and animals gain the magical beast type. If one treats the awaken spell as a spell that permanentely grants a template to a creature, then it is up to you whether the template granted by the awaken spell is inheritable.

As for your second question, I would no. However, if decide that awaken grants a template, and that template is inheritable, the I would say for a second generation awakened animal it would be fine.

Note: that a half-celestial/half-gold dragon kinda implies that it's a crossbreed between a celestial and a gold dragon. Unless formentioned partners were into some kind of weird bestiality I'm not sure how the dire bear part would fit in.

 

[Tonguez]

Note: that a half-celestial/half-gold dragon kinda implies that it's a crossbreed between a celestial and a gold dragon. Unless formentioned partners were into some kind of weird bestiality I'm not sure how the dire bear part would fit in.

um - Magic perhaps?


really its the DMs call as to what templates s/he adds to whatever creature s/h desires

 

[Conaill]

Sure. Just like it's the DM's call if he wants to allow a half-celestial half-dragon half-ogre halfling. Heck, if the DM wants to rule that such a creature should get two full attacks per round because it consists of 4 halves,that would still be his call...

We're just trying to clarify what the existing rules say on this point, or in the absence of rules - what would be a reasonable interpretation or extrapolation.

 

[BSF]

Note: that a half-celestial/half-gold dragon kinda implies that it's a crossbreed between a celestial and a gold dragon. Unless formentioned partners were into some kind of weird bestiality I'm not sure how the dire bear part would fit in.

Awakened Dire Bear breeds with a Celestial Dire Bear, potentially creating an Awakened Half-Celestial Dire Bear.

Along comes a drunk Half-Celestial Copper Dragon that gets into a conversation with the Awakened Half-Celestial Dire Bear. The dragon blows it's Sense Motive and the Awakened Half-Celestial Dire Bear convinces the dragon that it is actually a wild shaped Hedonistic Druid looking for a new experience.

Now you potentially have an Awakened Half-Celestial Half-Copper Dragon Dire Bear.

OK, let's assume that Awakened is inheritable and that the Awakened Animal has an 11 Int. The stats for such a creature might look similar to this:

Large Animal
Hit Dice: 14d10+101 (178)
Initiative: +2
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares) Flight: 80 ft (good)
Armor Class: 23 (–1 size, +2 Dex, +12 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 21
Base Attack/Grapple: +10/+30
Attack: Claw +26 melee (2d4+12)
Full Attack: 2 claws +26 melee (2d4+16) and bite +21 melee (2d8+8)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab, Daylight 1/day (su), Smite Evil 1/day +14 to damage, Spell-like Abilities (See Below), Breath Weapon 60' line of Acid 1/day (6d8 damage, DC 24 Ref save)
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent, Darkvision (60 ft), Disease Immunity, Energy Resistance: Cold, Electricity 10, Damage Reduction 10/magic, Natural weapons are considered magic for overcoming DR, Spell Resistance: 24, +4 Racial Fortitude Saves vs Poison, Immunity to Acid, Sleep, and Paralysis affects.
Saves: Fort +16, Ref +11, Will +12 -
Abilities: Str 43, Dex 15, Con 25, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 18
Skills: 170 skill points!
Feats: Alertness, Endurance, Run, Toughness, Weapon Focus (claw)

CR: 12 (?)

Spell-like Abilities: Spell-like Abilities are usable 1/day unless otherwise noted. Caster level: 14 Save DC's are based on Cha.
Protection from Evil 3/day, Bless, Aid, Detect Evil, Cure Serious Wounds, Neutralize Poison, Holy Smite, Remove Disease, Dispel Evil, Holy Word, Holy Aura 3/day, Hallow

What a wacky critter! Feel free to tear apart my stats. I'm at work and may have miscalculated.

 

[Conaill]

Hmm... an Awakened Half-Celestial Half-Copper Dragon Dire Bear would be either of type Dragon or Outsider, depending on which template you apply last. In your scenario it would be the offspring of two Outsiders, so that would suggest our little monstrocity will be an Outsider as well. HD 14d10 seems right (14d8 awakened, upgrade to d10 for 1/2 dragon). CR would be 13 (Awakened is worth about +1 CR). I'm guessing Awakened Dire Bear would have an LA of +3 of +4,which would make this puppy ECL 24-25...

 

[BSF]

I started thinking about my neglecting the creature types about 10 minutes after I posted. Like you, I am thinking it would end up as an Outsider. LA 23-24 sounds about right as well. Though, it does seem a little underpowered for an Epic PC. Equipment might be able to make up a bit of the difference. It would still be fun to play for a short time though.

 

[Nareau]

It really depends on how Rat-Bastard you want to be about it.

I could see some kind of great NPC coming out of "Awakened wolf, who's druid companion is long-dead, gives birth to a litter of idiot-dogs. She dispairs ever having learned the secrets of humanity, and longs for the simplicity of a 3 Int..."

Spider