Question on monk and BAB.
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Zhure
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If his BAB is 15, and his UAB is 5, his Unarmed attack is your choice of either:
+15/+10/+5
or
+15/+2
In this case, it's clear you're better off choosing +15/+10/+5. Some examples aren't as clear.
In either case, you can flurry.
This keeps coming up, I keep meaning to keep the original thread. I'm going to go look for it.
Greg
+15/+10/+5
or
+15/+2
In this case, it's clear you're better off choosing +15/+10/+5. Some examples aren't as clear.
In either case, you can flurry.
This keeps coming up, I keep meaning to keep the original thread. I'm going to go look for it.
Greg
The Souljourner
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This has been discussed before and I don't remember what the consensus was (if there even was one), but this is how I rule it:
Other class' BAB does not help the monk get extra barehand attacks. This much, pretty much everyone agrees on.
The rest is divided into two camps:
One camp says that only monk BAB can be used with his improved number of attacks, so in your case he would get +5/+2 and that's it. This makes a multiclass monk almost totally useless.
My position, and the other side of the argument, is that the attack bonuses stack, but the non-monk BAB doesn't gain you more attacks when using the monk progression. Thus your monk would have +15/+12 as his attack progression.
In either case you always have the ability to choose to use the standard progression, which would be +15/+10/+5.
-The Souljourner
Other class' BAB does not help the monk get extra barehand attacks. This much, pretty much everyone agrees on.
The rest is divided into two camps:
One camp says that only monk BAB can be used with his improved number of attacks, so in your case he would get +5/+2 and that's it. This makes a multiclass monk almost totally useless.
My position, and the other side of the argument, is that the attack bonuses stack, but the non-monk BAB doesn't gain you more attacks when using the monk progression. Thus your monk would have +15/+12 as his attack progression.
In either case you always have the ability to choose to use the standard progression, which would be +15/+10/+5.
-The Souljourner
Zhure
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Eureka
http://www.enworld.org/messageboards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=488
OA, page 33-34
"Character who have levels of only monk classes always get more unarmed attacks than they would noramlly get based on their base attack bonus (additionaly attacks at intervals of -3, instead of -5). Characters who have levels in other classes as well may or may not gain an advantage from this, and any advantage is often slight.
"Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks
Base Attack Bonus Additional Unarmed Attacks
+0 .... ---
+1 .... ---
+2 .... ---
+3 .... ---
+4 .... +1
+5 .... +2
+6 .... +3
+7 .... +4/+1
+8 .... +5/+2
+9 .... +6/+3
+10 ... +7/+4/+1
+11 ... +8/+5/+2
+12 ... +9/+6/+3
+13 ... +10/+7/+4/+1
+14 ... +11/+8/+5/+2
+15 ... +12/+9/+6/+3
"Example: Asako Turima is a 10th-level monk/4th-level henshin mystic. His base attack bonus is +10 (+7 from his monk levels, +3 from his henshin mystic levels). Normally, this would give him an additional attack at +5. He can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for his +10 attack bonus (since the entire bonus is derived from monk and mystic levels) on Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks, +7/+4/+1. Thus, he can make four attacks in a round with an unarmed strike (or a monk weaopn), at +10, +7, +4 and +1. When using another weapon, he can make two attacks at +10 and +5. He has the unarmed damage, AC bonus and speed of a 14th-level monk.
"Togashi Tidaiko, however, is a 3rd-level samurai/5th-level monk/ 7th-level tattooed monk. Her base attack bonus is +11 (+3 from her samurai levels, +3 from her monk levels, and +5 from her tattooed monk levels). Normally she would have two additional attacks at +6 and +1. She can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for a +8 base attack bonus from her monk and tattooed monk levels on Table 3-1, +5 and +2. She makes three attacks in a round, whether armed or unarmed. If unarmed (or using a monk weapon), she can choose whether to strike at +11/+6/+1 or at +11/+5/+2. Armed with an ordinary weapon, she must attack at +11/+6/+1. She has the unarmed damage, AC bonus, and abase speed of a 12-th level monk."
"Monk Base Attack Bonus: The monk is a special case because her additional unarmed attacks are better than her base attack bonus would suggest. For a multiclass monk fighting unarmed, the character must either use the additional attacks given for her monk levels (only) or the additional attacks that are standard for her combined base attack bonus, but not both. "
http://www.enworld.org/messageboards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=488
OA, page 33-34
"Character who have levels of only monk classes always get more unarmed attacks than they would noramlly get based on their base attack bonus (additionaly attacks at intervals of -3, instead of -5). Characters who have levels in other classes as well may or may not gain an advantage from this, and any advantage is often slight.
"Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks
Base Attack Bonus Additional Unarmed Attacks
+0 .... ---
+1 .... ---
+2 .... ---
+3 .... ---
+4 .... +1
+5 .... +2
+6 .... +3
+7 .... +4/+1
+8 .... +5/+2
+9 .... +6/+3
+10 ... +7/+4/+1
+11 ... +8/+5/+2
+12 ... +9/+6/+3
+13 ... +10/+7/+4/+1
+14 ... +11/+8/+5/+2
+15 ... +12/+9/+6/+3
"Example: Asako Turima is a 10th-level monk/4th-level henshin mystic. His base attack bonus is +10 (+7 from his monk levels, +3 from his henshin mystic levels). Normally, this would give him an additional attack at +5. He can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for his +10 attack bonus (since the entire bonus is derived from monk and mystic levels) on Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks, +7/+4/+1. Thus, he can make four attacks in a round with an unarmed strike (or a monk weaopn), at +10, +7, +4 and +1. When using another weapon, he can make two attacks at +10 and +5. He has the unarmed damage, AC bonus and speed of a 14th-level monk.
"Togashi Tidaiko, however, is a 3rd-level samurai/5th-level monk/ 7th-level tattooed monk. Her base attack bonus is +11 (+3 from her samurai levels, +3 from her monk levels, and +5 from her tattooed monk levels). Normally she would have two additional attacks at +6 and +1. She can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for a +8 base attack bonus from her monk and tattooed monk levels on Table 3-1, +5 and +2. She makes three attacks in a round, whether armed or unarmed. If unarmed (or using a monk weapon), she can choose whether to strike at +11/+6/+1 or at +11/+5/+2. Armed with an ordinary weapon, she must attack at +11/+6/+1. She has the unarmed damage, AC bonus, and abase speed of a 12-th level monk."
"Monk Base Attack Bonus: The monk is a special case because her additional unarmed attacks are better than her base attack bonus would suggest. For a multiclass monk fighting unarmed, the character must either use the additional attacks given for her monk levels (only) or the additional attacks that are standard for her combined base attack bonus, but not both. "
The Souljourner
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Aaron L said:Do people even read the handbook?
What, you mean the Player's Handbook where it's not discussed at all? Yes, people read that.
Oriental adventures makes it clear, but it's very unclear in the PHB. I haven't closely read OA, but it's good to know they finally cleared it up.
+11/+6/+1 or +11/+5/+2. Whoopee. What a choice!
I guess my estimation of "multiclass monks are useless" was correct, or at least, they're useless in that their attack benefits are pretty much negated. Obviously they bring a lot of other abilities to the table that make them much more than useless.
-The Souljourner
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