Question on the proper use of polymorph

[glass]

May not be, but it makes a lot more sense than changing Con and not changing hp. Call it a house rule, if you want

It's a houserule!

but it's consistent with the core rules. Not changing hp and changing Con is not.

Familiars, anyone?


glass.

 

[Pinotage]

It's a houserule!

Familiars, anyone?

glass.

So you're suggesting that since familiar follow a different rule, that's applicable to all scenarios involving Con changes and not a special rule applicable only to familiars?

The RAW says if Con changes, hps change. Familiars is a special case, and clearly defined. Polymorph says Con changes, so hps change.

Pinotage

 

[The Edge]

I think I remember that a dragons alternate form doesn't effect hitpoints. Best way is to check the back of the mon man.

Ive had this confuseion too, another example is when applying the vamp template.

 

[Prism]

I believe that the no added hp from change in Con was errata'd. If you Con changes, so do your hp, if the modifier changes.

Pinotage

The 3.5 DMG errata for polymorph states that hit points do not change even if the new form has a different CON though some would use the PHB beats DMG for spells argument which could be a valid point

The equivalent of polymorph in the MM, which is alternate form which follows pretty much all other rules of polymorph also states that hit points remain the same. Sometimes this is a penalty (werecreature) whereas sometimes an advantage (dragon)

Having a hit point increase from polymorph is barely an advantage anyway as one dispel magic later you could be dead. I would certainly never rely on it. Wildshape, not being dispellable is another matter

 

[Pinotage]

The 3.5 DMG errata for polymorph states that hit points do not change even if the new form has a different CON though some would use the PHB beats DMG for spells argument which could be a valid point

The equivalent of polymorph in the MM, which is alternate form which follows pretty much all other rules of polymorph also states that hit points remain the same. Sometimes this is a penalty (werecreature) whereas sometimes an advantage (dragon)

Having a hit point increase from polymorph is barely an advantage anyway as one dispel magic later you could be dead. I would certainly never rely on it. Wildshape, not being dispellable is another matter

I knew I'd seen errata somewhere, but I thought it was the other way around. Aack! Doesn't make sense to me, so I'll just house rule it. Apologies for the confusion on my part.

Pinotage

 

[glass]

So you're suggesting that since familiar follow a different rule, that's applicable to all scenarios involving Con changes and not a special rule applicable only to familiars?

No, I'm saying that because there is already an exception, you can't say that another exception is 'inconsistant with the rules'.

The RAW says if Con changes, hps change. Familiars is a special case, and clearly defined. Polymorph says Con changes, so hps change.

The RAW says if Con changes, hps change. Polymorph is a special case, and (via alter self) clearly defined.


glass.

 

[glass]

The 3.5 DMG errata for polymorph states that hit points do not change even if the new form has a different CON though some would use the PHB beats DMG for spells argument which could be a valid point

It would certainly be a valid point, except the PHB agrees with the (post errata) DMG.


glass.