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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tymophil" data-source="post: 3364538" data-attributes="member: 46923">Do you know what it takes to recycle metal ?Have you ever tried to turn a sheep into some piece of coth ? It's an awful lot of work, and requires tools... Even turning wool into threads is difficult and requires tools. Making leather from a sheep is not easy and requires tools too.Here I referred to what I read from Midnight veterans, and it may not be true to the word of the setting. I have been told it was forbidden to make tools, and that all animals such as horses or ox had disappeared (except for a few wild horses secretely preserved in the wilds).I have been told that all horses and ox (or rather boros) had dispappeared because the Orcs had no use for horses, and all that kind of animals had long been eaten by starving human peasants. Rereading what I have been told, I think I misinterpreted the fact that there was no more herd animals into "it is forbidden to raise them anymore." My mistake...Okay. But how do human survive if they can't buy what it takes to preserve food. Salt cannot be produced locally and is mandatory to preserve food from harvest to the next harvest.How do they make barrels, canva bags, crates ? You cannot recycle material to have new ones.How do they preserve the food produced ?Okay, it is not forbidden... But it is simply impossible. In order to raise livestock, cultivate fields, and preserve the production you need an awful lot of tools, means to produce clothes, specialised cratfsmen, certain kinds of buildings (warehouse, mills, for example)... Transporting implies the use of many items, such as carts, barrels, crates, pots, bags. Many of this items cannot be produced locally, and are still required for the transport. They require lots of of different tools to be made, repaired, even used.It is also very unlikely that they would transport food without the help of animals. Moreover, even slaves need to be fed, they also need to be controlled, and the ones controlling the slaves need food too.Once again, storing things is not that easy... You need to have a way to preserve what is stored. Very often this means using salt. And salt cannot be recycled, nor (most of the time) produced locally. It needs to be extracted, transported.I am not so sure they can be fed at all... Slaves cannot work without tools, nor food.Okay, this means that other people extract, transform, transport metal for them. It also mean people produce, transport, wood for them. People raise live stock to produce leather for them. People cultivate plants that wiill be transfomed into canva. Of course, they all need to be fed, even minimally... And fed all year long.So there is MUCH more production than I was told. It also means that the whole society has to be kept functionning in order to produce things for the Shadow. Once again, much like occupied France during WW2...</blockquote>

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