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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruvion" data-source="post: 73092" data-attributes="member: 878">To answer your question, Chun-tzu brings up a valid observation...Now, see page 11 of MotW, it says (the Wild Shape rules update is availble from WotC website)...and page 69 of Motw, under the entry of Greater Wild Shape...I will not detail the list of exceptions due to copyright reasons, but suffice to say, that the exceptions do not contradict the above ruling on wild shape...which lead me to the conclusion that, as Chun-tzu astutely proposed, you can not use greater wild shape into a creature that you have not seen before as per the rules.  The DM could abjucate that you must study the specie (the more complex the specie maybe longer the study period) you want to greater wild shape into before using that form.</blockquote>