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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8711804" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I mean, there are the cards in Candyland that jump you to the space with the matching symbol, which can actually make you go backwards. It’s not “wait 20 minutes,” but it is negative progress. And Candyland is a very simple game, whereas D&amp;D is a very complex one. But the point is, when we play a game we aren’t really playing to achieve the victory condition; we are playing to struggle against the restrictions the rules place in the way of that victory condition. That’s where the enjoyment comes from. For some people, the risk of character death is part of that. Take it away, and the game loses its value to them, as Candyland would if you could just put your piece anywhere at any time. For others, I suspect they are playing to struggle against different restrictions towards a different objective, to which character death is only an inconvenient nuisance and doesn’t provide value like it does to the other group.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8711804, member: 6779196"] I mean, there are the cards in Candyland that jump you to the space with the matching symbol, which can actually make you go backwards. It’s not “wait 20 minutes,” but it is negative progress. And Candyland is a very simple game, whereas D&D is a very complex one. But the point is, when we play a game we aren’t really playing to achieve the victory condition; we are playing to struggle against the restrictions the rules place in the way of that victory condition. That’s where the enjoyment comes from. For some people, the risk of character death is part of that. Take it away, and the game loses its value to them, as Candyland would if you could just put your piece anywhere at any time. For others, I suspect they are playing to struggle against different restrictions towards a different objective, to which character death is only an inconvenient nuisance and doesn’t provide value like it does to the other group. [/QUOTE]

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