Quick Skill Question (no math)

[Chainsaw]

Very quick question (no math). In the skill benefits area of the class descriptions, some classes have a skill or two listed as "Trained" (wizard has two I think, but books are at home) and then a list of skills from which to choose additional skills (# dependent on class). The trained skills are also on this list. What's the deal here? Are the "trained" skills listed at the front in addition to the other ones? If they're additional, why are they also listed in the pool of skills to "choose" from? If not, what's the significance of that notation?

 

[ForbidenMaster]

So that people who multiclass know specifically that they can take those skills.

 

[Chainsaw]

Ah, OK. So that explains why they're on the list. Then the "trained skills" for any class don't count against the others? So if the Wizard has Arcana and Knowledge, he still gets four others from the pool? I know this must seem stupid. For some reason the rules were much clearer when I was 14. Maybe I just didn't care as much then!

 

[Particle_Man]

A non-human wizard gets Arcana and three others from the list.

A human wizard gets Arcana and four others from the list.

You can't take Skill Training in the same skill twice, so no quick +10 to Arcana that way.

That said, if you want Skill Training in all the Wizard skills, you take a human wizard, then use your two 1st level feats: one for Multi-Classing (say Initiate of the Faith for Skill Training in Religion) and one for Skill Training in whatever skill you haven't picked yet.

That said, you can also use the feat Skill Training to take a skill not on the Wizard skill list. So the Wizard skill list is really only a restriction at 1st lvl chargen.