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Races & Classes spotted?

Klaus

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From the news page: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=212612

I was today at my FLGS here in Hungary, and to my big surprise they already had the Races & Classes preview book for sale. I have no interest in buying it, and had no time to read in it for a long time (or to make notes), but here are some details I can remember.

* The book is just fluff, no game statistcs or any rules in it.
* Diferent D&D designers have written different parts of the book, it's definatly teamwork. It is always mentioned who wrote which chapter or which paragraph.
* The races mentioned in detail are Humans, Dwaves, Eladrins, Elves, Halflings, Tieflings, and the "mystery race", Dragonborn. Each of these races gets some pages, humans I think had the most with 4 or 5, eladrin the least with 1,5. There are 4-5 paragraphs each on some other races as well. I remember drow and gnome, but there were maybe 2 or 3 more. The gnome part was titled "The problem with gnomes" or something like that.
* The Dragonborn in their picture looked like big and well muscled lizardmen. They were antropomorphic, had two legs and no wings. It looked as if their hands had claws. If I had to judge by the picture, they should get natural bite and claw attacks.
* Halflings looked just as 3ed halflings (no hobbits).
* The classes section had details about five classes: Cleric, Fighter, Rogue, Wizard, and Warlock. Each of thes gets 3-4 pages. Then - as with the classes - there is an "other classes" section with 3-4 paragraphes for each class. I remember paladins, rangers, druids, barbarians, swordmages and warlords among those.
* I couldn't find any mention in the book why they chose to write about some races and classes in detail, and why some get only some paragraphs. While for some of the "lesser" races and classs it did say that those would appear probably in later D&D proucts, I couldn't find any passage saying that those and only those detailed would be in the PHB. (Five base classes certainly seem to much.)
* Besides races and classes there were some chapters about the designwork, about the basic things they are trying to achieve, and so on. One interesting little info I remember is that there will be just one progression for all classes, and differences between them will come from their different character ablities, feats and so on. If I remember well, BAB (and AC?) was among the things mentioned. Hp was probably also on this list, butu I don't remember well anymore, sorry.
* There were two pages about the design history, which the different stages were, and when they began.
* The art looked good, often there was a pencil sketch (concept art), and the final colored version side by side.


That's about what I can remember. I had not much time to look through the book, and sadly I have no camera on my moblie, otherwise I would have taken a picture of the table of contents.

I no that I all this might soun a strange, since I have no prrof for it. But if you look at my old posts (I don't post much, so it shouldn't be to hard to find), you'll see that my FLGS started to sell Fiendish Codex II also well before it's street date. (I don't have access tot the search function, so I can't give you a link to that thread.) My screenname on ENWorld is morbiczer.

So, Dragonborn? With Bahamut becoming THE good god, it'd make sense to have his favored children in, even if they're no longer exclusive to him.
 

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I remember how many players were template-hungry when 3e started : half-dragon and half-celestial were among the more popular otptions. So, we have Eladrins and Dragonborns in 4e.

And I'm quite sure some of those "Tieflings" were in fact Dragonborns, asme and others hypotethised sometimes ago ! This would explain the PHB cover. It was right under our noses.
 

Sounds like they are tying it more to their own version of "fantasy" which I think is a good thing. I remember seeing somewhere that Races of the Dragon were one of the most successful books ever and I guess they went with what worked.

As is said above, half-celestials/half-dragons were always popular choices, so by incorporating this into the base races we have a wider spread of what people like.

Also ties in with the game preview we got of the mystery race - that they were "attracted to shiny things" - like dragons who hoard their goldpieces.
 

Meh. More anthropomorphic lizard-men is not something I personally think that D&D was missing. And why invent a new race when there are already so many iconic races to choose from in the game? If you wanted dragons/lizards, there are lizardmen, half-dragons, draconians, dragon-touched, kobolds ....

I'll miss half-orcs as well, even though I thikn I could live with substituting full orcs if they could be a way to balance them.

I was more interested in the class information, but it doesn't sound like we really have good confirmation of what will be in the PHB. It's encouraging to hear discussion of the druid and swordmage classes, but I'd rather have confirmation they are in the initial release rather than a teaser for another book coming out a year later!
 

If the scoop is correct, I'm surprised that not all of the PHB classer are getting full exposure. I would have expected for a few pages for each and a short description for classes slated to came out later... unless they have decided to release only 5 classes in the PHB, of course.
 

Hmmmm Dragonborn. I suspected a dragon like race. however I expected minotaurs more. It'll be interesting to see if this rumour is true.

I thought that WotC said there would be some mechanics in the book?
 


Dragonborn.
...love the concept
...but hate the name!
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So...
bland.

Even the Krynnish 'draconian' had better flavour to the name.
 

I don't mind dragonborn in the PH as a core race (even though I might not use them in my games), but if it turns out gnomes were dropped in favour of the fancy humanoid lizards, I'll be upset. Of course, me being upset really won't make any kind of difference, but still :\
 

Olgar Shiverstone said:
Meh. More anthropomorphic lizard-men is not something I personally think that D&D was missing. And why invent a new race when there are already so many iconic races to choose from in the game? If you wanted dragons/lizards, there are lizardmen, half-dragons, draconians, dragon-touched, kobolds ....

I'll miss half-orcs as well, even though I thikn I could live with substituting full orcs if they could be a way to balance them.

I was more interested in the class information, but it doesn't sound like we really have good confirmation of what will be in the PHB. It's encouraging to hear discussion of the druid and swordmage classes, but I'd rather have confirmation they are in the initial release rather than a teaser for another book coming out a year later!
Of course, if they are anything like 3e dragonborn, they're are members of other races that *choose* to become draconic, unlike any of the races mentioned.
 

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