Races & Classes spotted?

redmagerush said:
Legality issues stemming from official street dates perhaps?
I very much doubt the official street date can be legally enforced with end-users. If he bought a book from a store, the store is at fault for selling it to him (and by "at fault," I mean "it probably broke some sort of agreement it had to sign with the distributor"). Why should a customer know (or care) of the official street date? The burden of enforcing that lies with the manufacturer and the retailer.
 

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Perun said:
I don't mind dragonborn in the PH as a core race (even though I might not use them in my games), but if it turns out gnomes were dropped in favour of the fancy humanoid lizards, I'll be upset. Of course, me being upset really won't make any kind of difference, but still :\
They kinda seem to be a warrior race. If so, I'd say they got the half-orcs' place rather than the gnomes'.
 

Interesting and acceptable.
I think it goes a long way to making D&D fantasy stand alone. Now the races are 50/50 spilt between Tolkein-inspired and D&D unique:
Humans are the baseline.
Elves, Dwarves, Halflings are Tolkein-inspired, typical fantasy fare (although the halflings are reasonably departed from hobbits.)
Then you have your D&D unique choices:
Feeling extra-good? Try an eladrin.
Want to get your angsty-goth on? Here's a Tiefling.
Want to be big and mean, but not just a dumb brick? Dragonborn! (Hey, you are playing Dungeons & Dragons, not Mazes and Minotaurs!

I do hope that Dragonborn are reimagined as a stand-alone race.
 
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Charwoman Gene said:
Something happening once doesn't really prove anything. If I win the lottery once, that doesn't make me more likely to win the lottery in the future.

Regardless, there's nothing to indicate so far that the dragonborn in 4E will be dramatically different than the dragonborn introduced in the latter half of 3.5E, so like I said, I'm not all that hopeful.
 

Bishmon said:
Regardless, there's nothing to indicate so far that the dragonborn in 4E will be dramatically different than the dragonborn introduced in the latter half of 3.5E

Except for having an empire in the past, and their physical description being different.
 

Charwoman Gene said:
Except for having an empire in the past, and their physical description being different.
Their physical description being different? "The Dragonborn in their picture looked like big and well muscled lizardmen. They were antropomorphic, had two legs and no wings. It looked as if their hands had claws."

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As for them having an empire in the past, that doesn't strike me as dramatically different, certainly not in the sense that I would be hoping for.
 


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