Races & Classes spotted?

[Rechan]

Unless you're one of the barbarians of Argonessen.

Yes, true. But it's hard to be a barbarian of Argonessen in a group of otherwise normal PCs.

 

[Stogoe]

A bunch of random Bahumut fanboys who hopped in an egg to gain dragon powers is lame.

Really lame. Really, truly lame. I'm hopeful that they're a true race, though.

(Side note: I think I actually voted for the dragonmen as my most hated mystery race; strangely I'm not angry at this news - they might be done in an interesting manner..)

 

[Zoombaba]

Man, I am all over this. Sorry frustrated people, but I think this is the coolest. The Coolest.

I don't post much, but I've been following the 4th edition stuff religiously. And all I can say is, I can't wait until June. I think this has just put the icing on the cake for me.

But then again, I thought the cosmology shake-up was a great idea. So far, if something gets a big negative reaction with the grognards, it's a huge hit with me.

 

[Klaus]

Yes, true. But it's hard to be a barbarian of Argonessen in a group of otherwise normal PCs.

Not really. Eberron dragonborn could have nothing to do with dragons per se, but instead be "adopted" by Syberys, Eberron or Khyber. In a way, they'd be dragonmarks embodied.

 

[catsclaw227]

I preordered this from Amazon, got it for $12+change and free shipping.

I like this kind of stuff, it's interesting reading to me, and having it in full-color, hardbound print with lots of art is more appealing to me than an EnWorld commentary.

I am baffled why people are so peeved that WOTC is selling a book that they don't want. Just don't buy it. No angst, no suffering.

I want it, I am glad they are printing it.

My wife loves good, black, russian caviar. It's very expensive at $80 for like 4 ounces. I think it's a waste of money, but I am not posting my distaste on the caviar company website for making it. If my wife wants it once in a while, and she can afford it with her fun-money, then go for it.

 

[Dire Bare]

And I'm quite sure some of those "Tieflings" were in fact Dragonborns, as me and others hypotethised sometimes ago! This would explain the PHB cover. It was right under our noses.

Eh, not so sure, all the horned guys in the preview images we've seen so far seemed more demonic than draconic to me . . . but we'll all see soon enough!!!

Meh. More anthropomorphic lizard-men is not something I personally think that D&D was missing. And why invent a new race when there are already so many iconic races to choose from in the game? If you wanted dragons/lizards, there are lizardmen, half-dragons, draconians, dragon-touched, kobolds ....

Lizardfolk and kobolds are certainly iconic creatures, but as monsters to fight rather than as PCs. Despite the PC options in "Races of the Dragon", "Savage Species" and other books. While I wouldn't mind seeing a PC-style writeup of those two, never in a PHB! (that goes for orcs, hobgoblins and similar races too)

Half-dragons, draconic creatures (template), draconians and the many other "dragon descended" (term from "Races of the Dragon") all share the same rough "idea space" as the dragonborn . . . basically that of dragon-men characters. But for inclusion in the first PHB, we wouldn't want a templated race (half-dragons, draconic creatures) both due to complexity and lessening the value of having these templates as monsters in the MM. Plus the whole concept range of "dragon descended" is a bit confusing and doesn't have a solid "hook". Draconians are very recognizably unique to Dragonlance and again are an evil monster race to boot, not really suitable for a PC race in the PHB.

Dragonborn have a clear hook and make perfect sense as an adventuring PC race, they are heroes called to serve by Bahamut! (well, at least in 3e they were) I imagine the 3e "sorta-template" mechanics will be dropped for a more standard PC race writeup. I also think that while the race will still be a "good" race, they won't be solely tied to Bahamut anymore, but perhaps good dragons in general.

And the balance of concepts works well too! You have your "celestial" race, the eladrin; your "fiendish" race, the tieflings; and your "draconic" race, the dragonborn! They also work well with an alignment perspective, "good" race = dragonborn, "evil" race = tiefling, and "neutral" race = eladrin.

A lot of the races some of us would prefer will be in the MM anyway, with PC stats in the appendix. So, it's a win-win for most of us!

I'm pretty excited, as I loved the dragonborn race in 3e but found the mechanics clunky. I can't wait to see what they've done with the race in 4e!

 

[erf_beto]

It was said somewhere in one of the recent playtests that the mystery race makes good clerics.

That's right! forgot about that!

 

[Dire Bare]

I preordered this from Amazon, got it for $12+change and free shipping.

I like this kind of stuff, it's interesting reading to me, and having it in full-color, hardbound print with lots of art is more appealing to me than an EnWorld commentary.

I am baffled why people are so peeved that WOTC is selling a book that they don't want. Just don't buy it. No angst, no suffering.

I want it, I am glad they are printing it.

My wife loves good, black, russian caviar. It's very expensive at $80 for like 4 ounces. I think it's a waste of money, but I am not posting my distaste on the caviar company website for making it. If my wife wants it once in a while, and she can afford it with her fun-money, then go for it.

Yes, but the internet and message boards are no place for rational behavior! You should know that by now!

 

[Driddle]

Something happening once doesn't really prove anything. If I win the lottery once, that doesn't make me more likely to win the lottery in the future.

It does if you bought a ton of lottery tickets with your first big payoff.

:\ Just sayin...

 

[Gundark]

My Cognitive dissonance has kicked in....

I'm good with Dragonborn. Actually a draconic race sounds good.