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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CandyLaser" data-source="post: 9642748" data-attributes="member: 7029413">I'm not [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] , but I've heard others express the idea that the fighter is the martial controller before. Fighters in 4e got a lot of powers that overlapped with controller abilities, including forced movement and imposing action-denying conditions. Other defenders could do this, but not to the extent fighters could.  Paladins, on the other hand, had more overlap with clerics thanks to their ability to heal and buff. To some extent, controllers didn't really have a mechanical identity in the way that the other roles did - strikers got extra damage mechanics, defenders got marks, and leaders got minor action healing and buffs. Controllers wound up with the largest density of area attacks and the ability to do action denial via forced movement and conditions, but defenders tended to end up with that in their toolboxes as well unless (as in the paladin case) they actively wound up pointed in another direction.</blockquote>