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<blockquote data-quote="b_took" data-source="post: 9643609" data-attributes="member: 7052043"><p>I must insist on the distinction between an actual area attack and simple multi-targeting. The latter has an upward target limit, is not affected by the same feats/effects, and doesn't really do jack against swarms.</p><p></p><p>Close attacks are closer to area attacks, but they are still not the same, given that Close attacks require being near the enemy. The Swordmage and Sorceror both had a Close at-will, and not coincidentally, the Arcane power source is commonly accepted as leaning toward Controller as its secondary role, regardless of class. The Monk also had a Close at-will, but even then, it is generally recognized that the Monk was shoehorned into its particular role in the PHB3 as 4E was closing down.</p><p></p><p>I have to assume that the Battlemind got an Area at-will in a splatbook/article somewhere, as so far as I can tell, all of the at-wills listed in the PHB3 target one creature. (Keep in mind that when an at-will is augmented, it is the functional equivalent of other classes' encounter attacks.) I cannot speak to the Artificer.</p><p></p><p>The fact that a Paladin gets bonus damage on Holy strike does not mean they have a Striker mechanic. It means that the Striker mechanic is not the only way to get extra damage.</p><p></p><p>The fact that other classes can target multiple enemies does not mean they have at-will Area attacks. It means there are multiple ways to target multiple enemies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="b_took, post: 9643609, member: 7052043"] I must insist on the distinction between an actual area attack and simple multi-targeting. The latter has an upward target limit, is not affected by the same feats/effects, and doesn't really do jack against swarms. Close attacks are closer to area attacks, but they are still not the same, given that Close attacks require being near the enemy. The Swordmage and Sorceror both had a Close at-will, and not coincidentally, the Arcane power source is commonly accepted as leaning toward Controller as its secondary role, regardless of class. The Monk also had a Close at-will, but even then, it is generally recognized that the Monk was shoehorned into its particular role in the PHB3 as 4E was closing down. I have to assume that the Battlemind got an Area at-will in a splatbook/article somewhere, as so far as I can tell, all of the at-wills listed in the PHB3 target one creature. (Keep in mind that when an at-will is augmented, it is the functional equivalent of other classes' encounter attacks.) I cannot speak to the Artificer. The fact that a Paladin gets bonus damage on Holy strike does not mean they have a Striker mechanic. It means that the Striker mechanic is not the only way to get extra damage. The fact that other classes can target multiple enemies does not mean they have at-will Area attacks. It means there are multiple ways to target multiple enemies. [/QUOTE]
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