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<blockquote data-quote="cooperjer" data-source="post: 7288975" data-attributes="member: 6862150">As was indicated in prior posts, if a creature can be seen then it cannot hide.&nbsp; Therefore, if the DM decides a creature can be seen or perceived in some other way through blind sense, tremor sense, or some monsters ability to detect all other creatures in a certain radius, then it cannot hide.&nbsp; I should add, that in my opinion, if a player describes the hiding process to be cautious of the vibrations it makes then I'll let the character hide from tremor sense.&nbsp; Once the DM is clear there is a possibility of hiding then the player can roll a Dex (Stealth) ability check which is compared to the passive perception of the monsters.I agree with your point (b).&nbsp; I feel this is a significant way the rogue can benefit from the sneak attack feature.&nbsp; If the rogue character were not allowed to act in this way, then the player may not enjoy the game as much.&nbsp; Player and DM experience may vary.&nbsp; Other DMs may not allow play this way.Your point (c) is not restricted to rogues.&nbsp; A few other characters may hide and attack on the same turn.&nbsp; In general, any class that can make an attack as a bonus action (Sorcerer) or can take a second action on the same turn can hide and attack in the same turn.&nbsp; In a sorcerer case, they can cast Improved Invisibility.&nbsp; On the following turn they can cast a spell as a bonus action using meta magic and then use their action to hide.&nbsp; In a similar sense, a cleric could cast Healing Word and then use their action to hide.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cooperjer, post: 7288975, member: 6862150"] As was indicated in prior posts, if a creature can be seen then it cannot hide. Therefore, if the DM decides a creature can be seen or perceived in some other way through blind sense, tremor sense, or some monsters ability to detect all other creatures in a certain radius, then it cannot hide. I should add, that in my opinion, if a player describes the hiding process to be cautious of the vibrations it makes then I'll let the character hide from tremor sense. Once the DM is clear there is a possibility of hiding then the player can roll a Dex (Stealth) ability check which is compared to the passive perception of the monsters. I agree with your point (b). I feel this is a significant way the rogue can benefit from the sneak attack feature. If the rogue character were not allowed to act in this way, then the player may not enjoy the game as much. Player and DM experience may vary. Other DMs may not allow play this way. Your point (c) is not restricted to rogues. A few other characters may hide and attack on the same turn. In general, any class that can make an attack as a bonus action (Sorcerer) or can take a second action on the same turn can hide and attack in the same turn. In a sorcerer case, they can cast Improved Invisibility. On the following turn they can cast a spell as a bonus action using meta magic and then use their action to hide. In a similar sense, a cleric could cast Healing Word and then use their action to hide. [/QUOTE]

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