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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9405108" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And compared to how 5e isn't penalizing your ability to hit at all... it is a pretty hefty penalty. I don't see how "but other editions gave bigger penalties" makes giving one here better, or why it helps your case that 5e "nerfed" the fighting style for you to point out that older editions had harsher penalties.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, when you said this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You were focusing on how compared to 3e Two-Weapon Fighting is a lot easier and doesn't require feats, hence why it is nerfed? That sounds like a Buff to me, not a nerf.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, everyone would like to have fighter's making more attacks. But, I note your issue wasn't that TWF was nerfed, or that you weren't having fun with it... but that by level 11 you felt the number of attacks was "lopsided". Personally, as a DM I would have shrugged and been perfectly fine with you making two attacks with each weapon. That would have fixed your problem with it being lopsided. </p><p></p><p>Instead, you found a way to make 4 attacks at level 5 and 5 attacks at level 11... you 5e didn't nerf things compared to previous editions, you found a sizeable buff in a different game. Those two things are quite different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9405108, member: 6801228"] And compared to how 5e isn't penalizing your ability to hit at all... it is a pretty hefty penalty. I don't see how "but other editions gave bigger penalties" makes giving one here better, or why it helps your case that 5e "nerfed" the fighting style for you to point out that older editions had harsher penalties. So, when you said this. You were focusing on how compared to 3e Two-Weapon Fighting is a lot easier and doesn't require feats, hence why it is nerfed? That sounds like a Buff to me, not a nerf. Sure, everyone would like to have fighter's making more attacks. But, I note your issue wasn't that TWF was nerfed, or that you weren't having fun with it... but that by level 11 you felt the number of attacks was "lopsided". Personally, as a DM I would have shrugged and been perfectly fine with you making two attacks with each weapon. That would have fixed your problem with it being lopsided. Instead, you found a way to make 4 attacks at level 5 and 5 attacks at level 11... you 5e didn't nerf things compared to previous editions, you found a sizeable buff in a different game. Those two things are quite different. [/QUOTE]
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