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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9460677" data-attributes="member: 6750235">I did a quick check for you, however, and 27 ranger spells have the concentration tag and 34 do not.  That's approximately 44% instead of the extremely over-exaggerated 90%.  ;-)<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~35% cleric</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~38% bard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~44% ranger</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~44% wizard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~46% paladin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~48% druid</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~49% warlock</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~50% sorcerer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">~66% AT/EK</li> </ol>These can change when we look at magical secrets and subclass spells.  The ranger is ratioed among the lowest on the list when it comes to concentration spells.  This is something all spell casters deal with.  As you can see with the AT/EK entry the lower level wizard spell list is loaded with concentration spells.Hail of Thorns is bonus action damage in an AoE.  The ranger does the regular attack damage and then spends a bonus action for 1d10 to that creature again and every creature within 5 ft.  The range of the effect is based on the range of the weapon.   To which first level spells are you comparing it that have that kind of range and AoE and are also getting an attack action?  Seems good to me.Hunter's mark is a spell as a class feature.  It's not in direct opposition of spell casting.  It's a spell among other spells that the class is always guaranteed to have.  That's not the same thing as "forced" any more than any other class feature.It kind of is hard to see how Hunter's Mark has been the main problem for rangers for 10 years.  10 years ago players were claiming Hunter's Mark should be a class ability.  Now it is.When people were complaining about rangers in 2014 and beyond no one was asking for free Goodberry.  They were, however, asking for Hunter's Mark.Nothing is stopping a ranger from casting Goodberry, however.  They are just using using a slot for Goodberry and a free slot for Hunter's Mark instead of a slot for Hunter's Mark and a free slot for Goodberry.  There's little point in free Goodberry, however, because the main point of the spell is meant to be 1 day of nourishment.  Nobody needs more than a day of nourishment and unused berries disappear anyway.I imagine if the free ability was to cast Goodberry there would be more negative feedback. ;-)How so?  It's based on the positive feedback of the play testers who filled out surveys so that would indicate the opposite of your claim.That was feedback from the player base with regards to the ranger.  It's not "some people".  It's the players who gave feedback on it that was positive.  That's how the feedback process was implemented.  You are allowed to have a different opinion, but yours doesn't trump anyone else's here.  ;-)Of course the PC can.  Cast, climb into a window, sneak into the spot they want, and then use it for 5-8 more rounds.  It's verbal but it's also invisible.Or use it outside of combat.  Use it in combat to manipulate objects at range.  Or don't use it in combat in favor of another bonus action.  Just like Hunter's Mark, there's no obligation or requirement to use these features all the time while ignoring the other options available.Oh, I have.  I find it silly of you to assume otherwise.We might want to enter any conversation with the understanding that we aren't entitled to be right or that sometimes we are the minority.  As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of adding Hunter's Mark to the class instead of other class options.  But it's already done at this point.  We can't just "be taken more seriously" because that doesn't change thing when we already tried that feedback and it didn't make it.There are things I don't agree with in the 2024 PHB but it looks to be working as intended.It's not mechanically bad or thematically bad.  It just is whether we like that or not.  I'm not a fan of using a spell like that but I do like this version better than the 2014 version.</blockquote>

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