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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mirrorrorrim" data-source="post: 9461825" data-attributes="member: 7040132">I reeeally like how the 2024 design broadened character build concepts in all classes. There are way more viable and diverse builds even outside of Subclasses. So yeah, I understand how doubling down so hard on Hunter's Mark being the Ranger's THING feels more restrictive than all the other class designs.Some people complain about the Ranger's Identity and that Hunter's Mark is not good for the identity. But if we're talking about the identity of the Ranger, what it is for 5E? The tagline for the ranger in the 2024 book is "A Wandering Warrior Imbued with Primal Magic." Is that accurate? For the most part yes, but when I look at the abilities of the Ranger, I can't help but focus on the Warrior aspect, and how they go about fulfilling that Warrior aspect. Because they aren't Druids.As warriors, I see them as the Apex Predator class that cannot be stopped from hunting down and dealing with their chosen prey. They are the Polar Bears of the classes. No wild or urban terrain or distance discourages them, and when they find their quarry (whether a singular threat or a group), they have the tools to deal with them. From a game design standpoint, Hunter's Mark really works for a primal warrior class focused on tracking down and dealing with chosen enemies.Because the Ranger fulfills my fantasy (Hunter's Mark and Precise Hunter and other related abilities also fulfill the "4E Seeker" theme I also enjoy), I'm not arguing as hard as others who see the Ranger as something different than a Primal Hunter Warrior. But I do get it that some people want something different. That was always going to happen. Some can't stand that the Ranger has magic at all. It's the most controversial of all classes when it comes to identity and expectation.They had to pick a path, and not everyone was going to be happy. They picked a path that made it effective as the Unstoppable Predator (and I don't think it's bland). It succeeds at that role, and does not take away from other roles. But again, I do understand the desire to water down a solid, but mechanic-focused identity to broaden the possible "themes" of the base class. I think it is possible, because they did it with Warlock pacts too!</blockquote>

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