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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9476996" data-attributes="member: 59057">I don't disagree with him in general.It is just a reminder that he makes certain assumption that may be true or not.If you are fixated on damage numbers, do it yourself. I just assume in fights against a single enemy (which does happen quite a bit in our games, after the minions are dead), you will have a few more bonus actions left to attack, because HM sticks on a target and you don't need your bonus action anymore, especially after level 13.In a fight against a dragon with low level kobold minions, casting HM on the dragon on round 1 and then conjure volley on the kobolds might be a good start. After that, dual wield the dragon to death if you are a hunter or so. Also, I think treantmonk forgot to cast magic weapon as a level 4 spell every fight. That should also increase the damage quite a bit. Especially when you remember that you can attack 3 times with your main hand. The (base) rogue has no area of effect ability at all. So comparing the ranger to the rogue against a single target is not totally fair (as treantmonk mentions).I am curious about full caster (especially bard) sustained single target and area damage. If the ranger in the end lies between the bard and the rogue, goal achieved.Just a reminder: I think at least the capstone needs to remove concentration from HM, so it becomes a real capstone ability.</blockquote>