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<blockquote data-quote="Novem5er" data-source="post: 4190012" data-attributes="member: 57859"><p>You say that 2WF for a Ranger doesn't fit because of hunters wouldn't do so. I agree. However, the role that the 4e Ranger holds is not "hunter", but is now "striker". It makes sense for a martial striker to dual-wield because the character has given up the defense of a shield and heavy armor for more mobility and the chance to stab and slice more often.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, there is a case that the Rogue should have 2WF as well, but I can understand why WotC gave it to the Ranger. Of course, they have continuance for what many fans want and expect of a Ranger. I claimed that the Ranger was MORE martial than a Rogue, only because, since 2e, the Ranger has been defined by his weapons. A ranger has never been a simple hunter, but rather a defender of the wilderness, bent on actively engaging enemies in combat.</p><p></p><p>Look at this way. The Ranger is not lugging a shield through the wilderness, however, a Ranger would likely carry multiple small weapons with him for varying uses or in case one was damaged or lost (no armories out in the woods are there?). SINCE the Ranger is not carrying a shield, what is he supposed to do with his off-hand when engaged in melee? I suspect your answer would be that the Ranger "would likely be wielding a spear" and thus wouldn't have an off-hand. That's fine, but I suspect it's a rather narrow gamer population that wants to wield a spear. I think the idea's pretty neat, but I wouldn't want to force all Ranger players to choose a bow or spear.</p><p></p><p>Now, I find the idea of two longswords or two scimitars to be incredibly silly. That's two, 3' long blades hanging off your hips as you go running through the underbrush. But if I'm wielding ONE longsword, and I'm not using a shield, I'm sure as hell going to pull out a dagger or a hand ax as I charge into that line of orcs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Novem5er, post: 4190012, member: 57859"] You say that 2WF for a Ranger doesn't fit because of hunters wouldn't do so. I agree. However, the role that the 4e Ranger holds is not "hunter", but is now "striker". It makes sense for a martial striker to dual-wield because the character has given up the defense of a shield and heavy armor for more mobility and the chance to stab and slice more often. Like I said, there is a case that the Rogue should have 2WF as well, but I can understand why WotC gave it to the Ranger. Of course, they have continuance for what many fans want and expect of a Ranger. I claimed that the Ranger was MORE martial than a Rogue, only because, since 2e, the Ranger has been defined by his weapons. A ranger has never been a simple hunter, but rather a defender of the wilderness, bent on actively engaging enemies in combat. Look at this way. The Ranger is not lugging a shield through the wilderness, however, a Ranger would likely carry multiple small weapons with him for varying uses or in case one was damaged or lost (no armories out in the woods are there?). SINCE the Ranger is not carrying a shield, what is he supposed to do with his off-hand when engaged in melee? I suspect your answer would be that the Ranger "would likely be wielding a spear" and thus wouldn't have an off-hand. That's fine, but I suspect it's a rather narrow gamer population that wants to wield a spear. I think the idea's pretty neat, but I wouldn't want to force all Ranger players to choose a bow or spear. Now, I find the idea of two longswords or two scimitars to be incredibly silly. That's two, 3' long blades hanging off your hips as you go running through the underbrush. But if I'm wielding ONE longsword, and I'm not using a shield, I'm sure as hell going to pull out a dagger or a hand ax as I charge into that line of orcs. [/QUOTE]
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