Ranger combat style feats as prerequisites

[atomn]

Does having a combat style count as having the feat for prerequisite purposes? So if I have Improved Combat Style can I buy Greater Two-Weapon Fighting as a feat? Thanks!

 

[FrostedMini1337]

Yah, that'll work. if you meet the other prereqs

 

[atomn]

Awesome, thanks!

 

[Ranger REG]

Keep in mind of the ranger's restriction to using their combat style (e.g., wearing heavier armor). If at any time you can't use the combat style feats, then you can't use the associated feat for which the combat style is a prerequisite.

 

[atomn]

Roger! Thanks!

 

[irdeggman]

Keep in mind of the ranger's restriction to using their combat style (e.g., wearing heavier armor). If at any time you can't use the combat style feats, then you can't use the associated feat for which the combat style is a prerequisite.

Not true.

You still have the feat (even in restricted armor) - you just can't use it.

So for most cases the prerequisite for subsequent feats (in the chain) is that you have the feat (not use it).

This is like a character with a 13 Strength and Power Attack - if his Str is reduced (even temporarily) he loses the ability to use that feat but still has the feat.

 

[theemrys]

Not true.

You still have the feat (even in restricted armor) - you just can't use it.

So for most cases the prerequisite for subsequent feats (in the chain) is that you have the feat (not use it).

This is like a character with a 13 Strength and Power Attack - if his Str is reduced (even temporarily) he loses the ability to use that feat but still has the feat.

I thought it said right in the PHB that if you build a feat on top of it, you lose use of it if you ever lose use of the feat it's built on... at least specifically for the ranger combat styles.

 

[Ranger REG]

Not true.

You still have the feat (even in restricted armor) - you just can't use it.

Um, in what part of my post states you "can't have it?"

 

[irdeggman]

Um, in what part of my post states you "can't have it?"

This part.

Keep in mind of the ranger's restriction to using their combat style (e.g., wearing heavier armor). If at any time you can't use the combat style feats, then you can't use the associated feat for which the combat style is a prerequisite.

Having a feat (or combat style for the case of a ranger) as a prerequisite doesn't mean that the subsequent feat can't be used - which is what you are saying (if I've read your statement correctly).

You do not automatically lose access to (or the use of) subsequent feats that have other feats as prerequisites that you can't access (or use) due to one reason or another.

Now if the subsequent feat had the same prerequisites (that are no longer being met) (like the Cleave tree (all require Str 13 and the 1st feat in the tree is power attack). So if you suddenly lost your Str 13 then you wouldn't meet the prerequisites for any of the feats. Now if Cleave instead of having prerequisites: Str 13, Power attack only had Power attack listed as a prerequisite and Power attack still had Str 13 listed as a prerequisite - if you lost your 13 Str then you could still use Cleave (since Str 13 is not a prerequisite (in my example - not the actual feat) but would lose access to Power Attack.



Using the ranger combat style tree. If at 2nd level the ranger chose the 2 weapon fighting style and received the two weapon fighting feat then at 3rd level took 2 weapon defense (prerequisites Dex 15, 2 weapon fighting) and was wearing heavy armor you would still get the benefits of 2 weapon defense (as long as you had the Dex 15 prerequisite) even though you have lsot the ability to use 2 weapon fighting due to wearing the heavy armor. {You can still use 2 weapons, the feat only negates some penalties for fighting with that way}.

 

[Hypersmurf]

You still have the feat (even in restricted armor) - you just can't use it.

No, you don't still have the feat.

The Combat Style means that you are treated as having (say) the Two-Weapon Fighting feat.

If you wear Medium or Heavy armor, you lose all benefits of the Combat Style. So, in Medium armor, you are not treated as having the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. Since you do not have the TWF feat (either actually or, from Combat Style, effectively), you no longer satisfy the prerequisites of Two-Weapon Defence, and cannot use that feat.

Combat Style (Ex): If the ranger selects two-weapon combat, he is treated as having the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites for that feat.

The benefits of the ranger’s chosen style apply only when he wears light or no armor. He loses all benefits of his combat style when wearing medium or heavy armor.

-Hyp.