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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5346604" data-attributes="member: 2067">I think that was kind of true in 2e at least (and maybe in 1e, but by 3e a little but not so much), but I think the idea of the "Ranger," forex, goes beyond "Fighter/Druid" (though it probably includes that idea). I could even conceive of an "arcane archer" Ranger build that uses Martial and Arcane. Alongside a "gish" Fighter build that also uses Martial and Arcane, but in a different way. Though perhaps they'd both be Strikers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Basically, it's just that if a class can reach into new roles (Slayer, Hunter) and power sources (Hunter, Scout), then we'll need to divide classes on a broader level than 3e and 4e have been. But perhaps still with finer detail than 2e's "Change the name, leave everything else the same." I'm not particularly interested in returning to the "Barbarians are just Fighters with a different name!" philosophy, but I think that "Seekers and Rangers are entirely different!" also seems false. It also means that multiclassing or hybriding get to finer character distinctions. If you can have a fighter build that also uses arcane as a power source and have some arcane spells, what's the difference, conceptually, between that and a hybrid fighter|wizard, or even a fighter who multiclasses into wizard? What's the difference between that fighter build and the Swordmage? And in which direction would you point a newbie who wanted a "gish" character? How would they sort between the options? Which ones would be effective, and which ones would be sub-par? But I guess that latter problem comes into play whenever you've got a lot of options that look kind of the same on the surface, be it with this, or with feat choice, or with certain power choice, or whatever.</blockquote>

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