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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5346826" data-attributes="member: 996">The Battlemind, Warden, Ardent, Avenger, Swordmage, and Invoker all seem to exist for little reason beyond the grid-filling WotC says they don't do.&nbsp; Yet every box in the grid is filled /except/ the Martial Controller.&nbsp; No controlling without magic, here, have a little dose of Primal, now the spirits will let you be a Controller.&nbsp; In terms of the archetypes they model, the Seeker is a great deal more different from the Ranger than the Slayer is from the Greatweapon Fighter.&nbsp; Ecru and Taupe are more different from eachother than the Knight is from the Guardian Fighter.Do you mean manufacture original archetypes from whole cloth?&nbsp; Or do you just mean model an archetype that's never been done in D&amp;D before?&nbsp; Because the archetype the warlord models - the 'leader of men' - is one of the most well-represented archetypes not just in fantasy, or accross genres, but to the point of being one of the few heroic fantasy archetypes that could be said to be 'real.'&nbsp;&nbsp; It's just that the AD&amp;D Fighter attracting men-at-arms to the stronghold he build at 9th level didn't really do a lot to model said archetype.And entirely the wrong meaning to fans of Terry Goodkind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5346826, member: 996"] The Battlemind, Warden, Ardent, Avenger, Swordmage, and Invoker all seem to exist for little reason beyond the grid-filling WotC says they don't do. Yet every box in the grid is filled /except/ the Martial Controller. No controlling without magic, here, have a little dose of Primal, now the spirits will let you be a Controller. In terms of the archetypes they model, the Seeker is a great deal more different from the Ranger than the Slayer is from the Greatweapon Fighter. Ecru and Taupe are more different from eachother than the Knight is from the Guardian Fighter. Do you mean manufacture original archetypes from whole cloth? Or do you just mean model an archetype that's never been done in D&D before? Because the archetype the warlord models - the 'leader of men' - is one of the most well-represented archetypes not just in fantasy, or accross genres, but to the point of being one of the few heroic fantasy archetypes that could be said to be 'real.' It's just that the AD&D Fighter attracting men-at-arms to the stronghold he build at 9th level didn't really do a lot to model said archetype. And entirely the wrong meaning to fans of Terry Goodkind. [/QUOTE]

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