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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5347031" data-attributes="member: 2067">See, it's a subjective call. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />For me, the Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard are different enough. There's a conceptual divide between "Magic is in my blood," "Magic was taught to me by Satan," and "Magic I learned from studying books" that gives you different sorts of characters in the end. It's also different from the Psion's "Magic is my thoughts." Sorcerer would be an example of kind of creating an archetype in D&D: here is how blood mages are very different from book mages and devil-mages and mind-mages. Runepriests are a solid archetype, but it does feel like "rune" is something that should be added on top of the class system, something that any class can benefit from, not something relegated to a single class.The Warden I could see as a Druid build; the Ardent as a Psion build; the Avenger as a Paladin build; the Swordmage as a Fighter build; Invoker as a cleric build.Though I think the Ardent, Avenger, Swordmage, and Invoker all do carve out their own niches pretty well, too. "Divine Assassin," "Magic is emotion," and "I am the God's Prophet" (vs. the clerics "I am the God's Servant" or the Paladin's "I am the God's Protector") all seem fairly distinct.But yeah, it's a judgement call. Where the line falls is going to be different for different people. I do think most of us can probably agree that, currently in 4e, there's some classes that we would probably cut and re-assign as builds to existing classes (helping them pick powers that belong to both). Out of curiosity, what do you think the negative effects of this will be? Each PC will still only fill one role. The Slayer can pick up a few defenderish powers from the Fighter core list, but I think that kind of helps reinforce the flavor of the Fighter class, personally. Everyone's a little melee defendery.</blockquote>

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