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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8787767" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Even during the 3e/PF1 days, I've seen this, when &quot;not having magic&quot; was a huge disadvantage (unless you could cheat with Use Magical Device).&nbsp; I watched players multiclass from Ranger into Rogue quite often, as they seemed to want to create some kind of special forces commando (the worst was a Ranger/Rogue/Barbarian/Fighter lol) and they had no use for &quot;finger wigglin'&quot;.WotC has always had this problem with magic and non-magic, where being non-magical meant you couldn't do anything cool. Of course, TSR wasn't exactly any better at this- thousands of spells and magic items, only two non-magical classes in the PHB, and barely any options for them compared to what magicians could do.I mean, even in 4e, the Martial Power Source had nothing cool or unique unto itself, and every other Power Source could do amazing things.&nbsp; Save for the Ranger, because even before Essentials, he had a few moves that were dubious, like the attack power that let him leap into the air, then travel in a line, attacking a few times as he did (some kind of anti-flying move, though as insane as it sounds, it wasn't very effective).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8787767, member: 6877472"] Even during the 3e/PF1 days, I've seen this, when "not having magic" was a huge disadvantage (unless you could cheat with Use Magical Device). I watched players multiclass from Ranger into Rogue quite often, as they seemed to want to create some kind of special forces commando (the worst was a Ranger/Rogue/Barbarian/Fighter lol) and they had no use for "finger wigglin'". WotC has always had this problem with magic and non-magic, where being non-magical meant you couldn't do anything cool. Of course, TSR wasn't exactly any better at this- thousands of spells and magic items, only two non-magical classes in the PHB, and barely any options for them compared to what magicians could do. I mean, even in 4e, the Martial Power Source had nothing cool or unique unto itself, and every other Power Source could do amazing things. Save for the Ranger, because even before Essentials, he had a few moves that were dubious, like the attack power that let him leap into the air, then travel in a line, attacking a few times as he did (some kind of anti-flying move, though as insane as it sounds, it wasn't very effective). [/QUOTE]

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