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<blockquote data-quote="DrunkonDuty" data-source="post: 8482152" data-attributes="member: 54364"><p>I want to start by saying that first 7 shows on my list are all top-notch TV; the margins between them are paper thin. I’ve given them an order because, well that what the thread’s about.</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Jessica Jones</em>. Gets the top spot because all 3 seasons were very good. I think season 2 was the least good but still very good.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Daredevil</em> - Seasons 1 & 3. Two excellent, edge-of-the-seat seasons.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Agent Carter</em>. A criminally underrated show. Tells a great story while examining the impact of the post war period and the return of all the men on women’s roles in the workforce.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Wandavision</em>. Such a great premise. (Yes, I’m aware of its comic book origins.) Really well done. The ending was a little too busy. Don’t think we needed the Vision on Vision battle but even with it it’s still very, very good.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Luke Cage</em> - Season 2. Two great villains opposing our Hero of Harlem with an excellent (even if it was unintended) downbeat ending to our hero’s journey.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Loki</em>. LOVED the aesthetic of it. Some great moments of comedy, action, and romance. My only real concern is that, going forward, there’s no way it’s going to be able to live up to the twisting timelines plot it has begun.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Luke Cage</em> - Season 1. Such a great show that failed to stick the landing. Swapping out Cottonmouth for Sidewinder was a serious mistake. A real Dickensian twist of a coincidence (I effin hate Dickens) that undercut the drama they had spent the rest of the season building. Total writing fail. I strongly suspect executive meddling. But everything up to that point was great.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Iron Fist</em>. Firstly – Ironfist should not have been a white guy. (A sentiment with which Davos agrees.) But, since the decision was made to keep him as such, the writing did the right thing of making him an entitled jerk. Not a complete jerk. But certainly given to some jerky, entitled moments. This should have given him the chance to grow as a character. That didn’t really happen.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Falcon & Winter Soldier</em>. Yes, I’ve ranked this below <em>Ironfist</em>. Its main problem was that it tried to make a political point without actually making any political points. This confused the theme and plot. But great characters. I look forward to seeing more of Falcon, WS, and (other) Agent Carter. And of course, USAgent.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Agents of Shield</em> - Season 1. I think the best part of the show [SPOILER](Ward’s betrayal)[/SPOILER] was only due to the events of the wider MCU. But I can’t prove that. So this one gets points for one of the best WTF!? moments I’ve ever had watching a TV show.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Punisher</em>. Objectively this was good TV. (Okay, I only watched the first 2 or 3 eps. But what I saw was good TV.) I just don’t like the character, sorry folks. Also I have residual irritation for Punisher co-opting season 2 of <em>Daredevil</em>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Daredevil</em> - Season 2; aka Punisher - Season 1 and/or The Defenders - Season 1. This whole season was a mess. Absolutely reeks of executive meddling. I imagine it went something like this:</li> </ul><p>Exec: “We need to introduce Punisher before his show. Doesn’t matter that Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones all did just great introducing themselves in their own shows. Punisher needs half of this season. Oh and the other half can help build the back story for the Defenders or something.”</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>The Defenders.</em> Sigh. More executive meddling? A mess and a desperate attempt to put all 4 Netflix Marvel characters into on show because that’s what the Avengers did. Doesn’t matter how awkward it makes the show.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Agents of Shield</em> – the rest of the seasons. This is a show that went downhill season after season. I think I managed to get through 4 seasons before giving up. Not totally without some good points, Mockingbird and Hunter come to mind. But otherwise pretty standard TV.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>Haven’t seen <em>What If?</em> Or <em>Hawkeye</em> as yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrunkonDuty, post: 8482152, member: 54364"] I want to start by saying that first 7 shows on my list are all top-notch TV; the margins between them are paper thin. I’ve given them an order because, well that what the thread’s about. [LIST] [*][I]Jessica Jones[/I]. Gets the top spot because all 3 seasons were very good. I think season 2 was the least good but still very good. [*][I]Daredevil[/I] - Seasons 1 & 3. Two excellent, edge-of-the-seat seasons. [*][I]Agent Carter[/I]. A criminally underrated show. Tells a great story while examining the impact of the post war period and the return of all the men on women’s roles in the workforce. [*][I]Wandavision[/I]. Such a great premise. (Yes, I’m aware of its comic book origins.) Really well done. The ending was a little too busy. Don’t think we needed the Vision on Vision battle but even with it it’s still very, very good. [*][I]Luke Cage[/I] - Season 2. Two great villains opposing our Hero of Harlem with an excellent (even if it was unintended) downbeat ending to our hero’s journey. [*][I]Loki[/I]. LOVED the aesthetic of it. Some great moments of comedy, action, and romance. My only real concern is that, going forward, there’s no way it’s going to be able to live up to the twisting timelines plot it has begun. [*][I]Luke Cage[/I] - Season 1. Such a great show that failed to stick the landing. Swapping out Cottonmouth for Sidewinder was a serious mistake. A real Dickensian twist of a coincidence (I effin hate Dickens) that undercut the drama they had spent the rest of the season building. Total writing fail. I strongly suspect executive meddling. But everything up to that point was great. [*][I]Iron Fist[/I]. Firstly – Ironfist should not have been a white guy. (A sentiment with which Davos agrees.) But, since the decision was made to keep him as such, the writing did the right thing of making him an entitled jerk. Not a complete jerk. But certainly given to some jerky, entitled moments. This should have given him the chance to grow as a character. That didn’t really happen. [*][I]Falcon & Winter Soldier[/I]. Yes, I’ve ranked this below [I]Ironfist[/I]. Its main problem was that it tried to make a political point without actually making any political points. This confused the theme and plot. But great characters. I look forward to seeing more of Falcon, WS, and (other) Agent Carter. And of course, USAgent. [*][I]Agents of Shield[/I] - Season 1. I think the best part of the show [SPOILER](Ward’s betrayal)[/SPOILER] was only due to the events of the wider MCU. But I can’t prove that. So this one gets points for one of the best WTF!? moments I’ve ever had watching a TV show. [*][I]Punisher[/I]. Objectively this was good TV. (Okay, I only watched the first 2 or 3 eps. But what I saw was good TV.) I just don’t like the character, sorry folks. Also I have residual irritation for Punisher co-opting season 2 of [I]Daredevil[/I]. [*][I]Daredevil[/I] - Season 2; aka Punisher - Season 1 and/or The Defenders - Season 1. This whole season was a mess. Absolutely reeks of executive meddling. I imagine it went something like this: [/LIST] Exec: “We need to introduce Punisher before his show. Doesn’t matter that Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones all did just great introducing themselves in their own shows. Punisher needs half of this season. Oh and the other half can help build the back story for the Defenders or something.” [LIST] [*][I]The Defenders.[/I] Sigh. More executive meddling? A mess and a desperate attempt to put all 4 Netflix Marvel characters into on show because that’s what the Avengers did. Doesn’t matter how awkward it makes the show. [*][I]Agents of Shield[/I] – the rest of the seasons. This is a show that went downhill season after season. I think I managed to get through 4 seasons before giving up. Not totally without some good points, Mockingbird and Hunter come to mind. But otherwise pretty standard TV. [/LIST] Haven’t seen [I]What If?[/I] Or [I]Hawkeye[/I] as yet. [/QUOTE]
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