[Rant]Anyone else annoyed to hell with Wizards "no novel discussion in our boards"

Kae'Yoss

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In the past couple of days, I was a little active in the wizards boards (usually I'm just here and in my own boards). And several threads I've been reading in got the "no novel discussion" hammer straight in the teeth (some were even closed). It's no longer possible to discuss their novels there - on the very board of the publisher!

If anyone knows why they made this, whether there was something that all but forced them to do it, I'd like to know (If I knew they had good reasons for doing so, I might be less annoyed)
 

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They finally decided to forbid discussions of novels after, if I'm not mistaken, some very vocal persons succeeded in making sure novel writers that frequented the boards (like Elaine Cunningham) would no longer do that.

In short, they got tired of flames and insults.
 

KaeYoss said:
If anyone knows why they made this, whether there was something that all but forced them to do it, I'd like to know (If I knew they had good reasons for doing so, I might be less annoyed)

IIRC it had something to do with the authors not handling criticism very well.

:confused:

Yeah, you read that right.

What a bunch of sissies. I know that D&D crowd isn't the easiest to please .. but this.,. "You'll hurt our authors feelings if you criticize them." Blech.
 

The rumors I've heard was too many fan complaints about novels, and the authors were getting too hostile of a reception. The authors couldn't deal with trolls and flames, so instead of being professional and getting a thick skin, they just banned talking about their works.

Frankly, the WotC boards have lost a lot of usefullness with the increasing restrictions over the last few months. Can't discuss Forgotten Realms novels, on the message board of their publisher, when talking about a campaign setting that has much of it's metaplot unfolded in novels. *sigh*

Then there is the d20 Modern board. It's amusing, or sad, that in the official boards for their generic modern day/future RPG system you can't really discuss anything related to the modern day. Banning talk of anything related to real world religions and politics make sense when talking about a fictional game world on another plane of existence. In a thread about offhand references to throw into a futuristic game to remind players it's "The future", one poster put on a long list something like "an offhand reference to President Schwartzenegger". Funny as all heck when it was done in Demolition Man, but the WizO censored it. Or someone making a thread about pointing out how certain treaties about the use of space really restricted most space-based futuristic games unless treaties and/or world political bodies were significantly changed, that got closed down because mentioning the UN is a sure way to get a thread closed.

What's also sad is that WotC's own books break that rule in so many places. The d20 Modern Menace Manual talks about Scientology as an NPC organization (and a splinter/fringe group from them as a threat/nemesis organization), not to mention satanic cults (the Final Church from Dark*Matter) and the UN has secret black helicopter squads that operate above the law. Even suggesting one of those ideas would bring down moderator wrath. Interesting double standard, I can go into a bookstore and buy a copy of this book (or a little kid can stumble across a copy and browse), but I can't go online (where according to the COPPA you have to be 13 years old to post) and I can't talk about it.

Unearthed Arcana has sanity rules, with a good number of mental disorders you probably couldn't even mention, much less discuss without the thread being closed. The sanity rules also include rules for drug addiction (not even with a "mature" warning on it like the BoVD), and that's a lightning-quick way to get a thread closed, to even mention drugs. It's like the old-school Comics Code, it doesn't even exist. WotC will publish it as OGC to be freely republished throughout d20, and print it in multiple books, but don't even think to ask about it on their message boards.

I did notice that Dark*Matter went "down the memory hole" at WotC, and they removed any reference or archive of articles and pages about this old setting. I guess an organization which had the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, FBI, FEMA, CIA, NASA, satanic cults, and Freemasons as major NPC organizations was too Politically Incorrect for modern WotC. Another reason we'll probably never see that great old setting revived officially.

Yeah, this is a rant too. Oh well, I guess I feel a little better having said it.
 

what Gez said.

it happened months ago.

there are threads here on ENWurld about if you go back about 4 months or so.
 

Gez said:
They finally decided to forbid discussions of novels after, if I'm not mistaken, some very vocal persons succeeded in making sure novel writers that frequented the boards (like Elaine Cunningham) would no longer do that.

In short, they got tired of flames and insults.

Well, there are still flames, trolls and insults around. Those who bash 3e in favour of older editions or other roleplaying games. Those who bash this or that rulebook, or this or that feat, skill, spell, PrC, whatever. I don't see them banning discussion of those things....

I think I have to Numion and Wingsandsword here (though the "bunch of sissies" remark from Numion might be out of line).

It's total nonsense If I can't discuss novels there. The implications are even worse: I can't discass most Realms-related topics properly, as a lot (maybe even most) of the relevant info is in the novels.

And only because they were criticised? Don't get me wrong, there's no need for insults, but if someone says he doesn't like this or that book, than that's his opinion.

It does seem that the Wizard Boards are a really poor place if you want to discuss the realms. Luckily I'm there only rarely, bing mostly here. All hail enworld!
 


KaeYoss said:
It's total nonsense If I can't discuss novels there. The implications are even worse: I can't discass most Realms-related topics properly, as a lot (maybe even most) of the relevant info is in the novels.

And only because they were criticised? Don't get me wrong, there's no need for insults, but if someone says he doesn't like this or that book, than that's his opinion.

As I recall from when I visited, It went a bit beyond the "I don't like your work" straight to "you are on crack for what you did to my favorite character." I don't necessarily agree with their closing it, because criticism is part of producing ANYTHING, but I can understand why they did it.

Incidentally, Discussion of Forgotten Realms novels unofficially moved to (I believe) the Candlekeep forums.
 

Henry said:
As I recall from when I visited, It went a bit beyond the "I don't like your work" straight to "you are on crack for what you did to my favorite character."

as far as i remember it went further than that.

more like "I know where you live and when I come to town I'm gonna... for doing that to my favorite character."
 

Henry said:
I don't necessarily agree with their closing it, because criticism is part of producing ANYTHING, but I can understand why they did it.

I'm just basing my opinion on the information in this thread. But I'll completely support WotC here.

Two realities beyond WotC's control:
Some of the "fans" are going to be absolute jerks
Some of the authors are going to thin skinned about it


So, WotC's options are to continue using their own resources to feed strife in their own business or to not. Pretty easy call really.
 

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