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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 2252218" data-attributes="member: 6533">I'll get to Kill Bill in a bit, but I think my point with the rest of these movies is to point out why I don't really believe, yet, that GnG actually exists except as a prejuidice.&nbsp; People don't die in Heroic Fantasy except as the story demands it.&nbsp; You have a big battle and to demonstrate its bigness you kill a few characters off camera or very quickly.&nbsp; Let's you know the battle's bad but that the characters will still finish the story since their quick deaths don't indicate a plot complication.&nbsp; You know someones going to finish the heroic fantasy tale and you pretty much know who.In CTHD you have a much stronger sense that the actions of characters result in death not the demands of the story, at least partially because death is so rarely the end of the story for characters in CTHD.&nbsp; They have students and lovers who will avenge or mourn them and finish the story for them.&nbsp; Heck in House of Flying Daggers you have a character who is dead by virtue of a happenstance and then must choose between that death or another in order to pick out the rest of the story.&nbsp; In Hero everyone dies, and the manner of their deaths and the reality of it are revelations.In DnD the level of lethality is wonky as heaven.&nbsp; At higher levels you're insanely likely to die.&nbsp; What's the theory that seventh is the deadliest level?&nbsp; If GnG does actually exist as anything other than a prejuidice than I definitely think that it doesn't know what it's doing as of yet.&nbsp; All too often the complaints I hear seem to bear little weight under investigation.&nbsp; I'm certain they represent a legitimate concern, I just worry that they don't yet know what they are articulating.It is good to hear that people are seeing a range in how GnG hit points can and can't be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 2252218, member: 6533"] I'll get to Kill Bill in a bit, but I think my point with the rest of these movies is to point out why I don't really believe, yet, that GnG actually exists except as a prejuidice. People don't die in Heroic Fantasy except as the story demands it. You have a big battle and to demonstrate its bigness you kill a few characters off camera or very quickly. Let's you know the battle's bad but that the characters will still finish the story since their quick deaths don't indicate a plot complication. You know someones going to finish the heroic fantasy tale and you pretty much know who. In CTHD you have a much stronger sense that the actions of characters result in death not the demands of the story, at least partially because death is so rarely the end of the story for characters in CTHD. They have students and lovers who will avenge or mourn them and finish the story for them. Heck in House of Flying Daggers you have a character who is dead by virtue of a happenstance and then must choose between that death or another in order to pick out the rest of the story. In Hero everyone dies, and the manner of their deaths and the reality of it are revelations. In DnD the level of lethality is wonky as heaven. At higher levels you're insanely likely to die. What's the theory that seventh is the deadliest level? If GnG does actually exist as anything other than a prejuidice than I definitely think that it doesn't know what it's doing as of yet. All too often the complaints I hear seem to bear little weight under investigation. I'm certain they represent a legitimate concern, I just worry that they don't yet know what they are articulating. It is good to hear that people are seeing a range in how GnG hit points can and can't be. [/QUOTE]

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