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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 2255223" data-attributes="member: 6533">Well, among other reasons I'm using a loaded term like prejuidice and then lightening the load because it stands a good chance of attracting people to the thread and then investing them enough to argue but defusing the situation enough to keep the arguments intelligent.Plus, among the broad range of meanings you can attach to or derive from prejuidice are ones that pretty much mean exactly what I mean.  And among those is that I am using the term prejuidice to be critical, in so much as I am being critical, of the idea of GnG itself not its adherents or its products.  Just as in the title Pride and Prejuidice it refers to a quality of sentiment or thought without really casting aspersions on the characters, though the use of the word Prejuidice in that title may be confusing in other ways.I can, however, provide a short response to the idea that I think GnG players aren't familiar with DnD as I think it may be very illustrative.There is a sense in which prejuidice can come from experience.  If you worked in a neighborhood and it had a certain style and a lot of crimes and you said that style is a criminal style, well that would be both derived from your experience, in that you wouldn't otherwise know that this style was criminal style, and a prejuidice, in that someone else wouldn't otherwise know that it's a criminal style.  So it's not that I think GnG has no experience of DnD, or that the above case is really the manner in which prejuidice applies to GnG.  Indeed I think that GnG may have too much experience of DnD.  It's an aesthetic criticism I rarely hear outside of D20 circles, though I do hear echoes of it when people are approaching certain fantasy genres and certainly within the discussion of GnG other media and genres are mentioned so I wouldn't deny it has roots and manifestations in other areas.I'm probably going to keep any further explanation of what I mean by prejuidice fairly weak until I can come up with something that expresses it really well in terms of the argument thus far.  I think the definitions that have been used previously are pretty functional, and I don't want to limit the arguments by setting the term in the wrong sort of stone.  And part of that is that in my heart there are two images of GnG and one is of GnG as a sort of snobbish and insubstantial but not bad pseudo- or semi- aesthetic.  One that further action could transform into something that would be easier to deal with.  The other is of GnG as something that is in fact very strong and new, but that needs to be twisted in some way I and most of its adherents are not seeing in order to make it really functional and interesting.  And when I say twist I mean that it's very possible that I'm simply seeing it from the wrong side of things and that enlightening me could solve much of the problem all together.</blockquote>

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